View Poll Results: Will a STB Improve the Handling of Cars?
Yes
54
59.34%
No
12
13.19%
I'm on the Fence on this one
25
27.47%
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Strut Tower Brace Poll
01-30-2004, 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Dave
Not to pick on MPW, as there have been a couple similar statements.
It's important to remember that what works on other model cars, means nothing. A car with a stiff frame will flex less than a car with a less rigid frame. The 944 is a fairly rigid chassis and does not flex as much as a lot of other cars. What works for one brand or model of car, might not do the same for another.
Not to pick on MPW, as there have been a couple similar statements.
It's important to remember that what works on other model cars, means nothing. A car with a stiff frame will flex less than a car with a less rigid frame. The 944 is a fairly rigid chassis and does not flex as much as a lot of other cars. What works for one brand or model of car, might not do the same for another.
01-30-2004, 03:50 PM
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In my opinion putting a STB on a car with worn our bushings, stock springs and street tires is useless....
If your car is not already in good shape, the best place to spend your money is to make sure that everything else works first.
No point in adding a STB to a car with bad shocks, missing swaybar bushings and flat tires. Sure it will look cool, but cool does not win races.
01-30-2004, 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by M758
BTW.... On that stock car is the $100 to $200 you spend on the STB really worth the .0002 of second you gain on that right turn on the way to the Quick-E-Mart?
BTW.... On that stock car is the $100 to $200 you spend on the STB really worth the .0002 of second you gain on that right turn on the way to the Quick-E-Mart?
01-30-2004, 03:58 PM
#34
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Originally posted by Z-man
Yes! I agree! Best example: the mondo F1 wings you see on FWD street cars these days. "Downforce baby!" (Yeah, at the wrong end!
)
-Z-man, who proudly displays his "Powertech Motorsports" windsheild banner on his 944S2. (Hey, it's gotta be good for 5hp! )
Yes! I agree! Best example: the mondo F1 wings you see on FWD street cars these days. "Downforce baby!" (Yeah, at the wrong end!
)-Z-man, who proudly displays his "Powertech Motorsports" windsheild banner on his 944S2. (Hey, it's gotta be good for 5hp!
)
So how much does that windshield banner weigh?
Originally posted by W88951
I completely agree.
If your car is not already in good shape, the best place to spend your money is to make sure that everything else works first.
No point in adding a STB to a car with bad shocks, missing swaybar bushings and flat tires. Sure it will look cool, but cool does not win races.
I completely agree.
If your car is not already in good shape, the best place to spend your money is to make sure that everything else works first.
No point in adding a STB to a car with bad shocks, missing swaybar bushings and flat tires. Sure it will look cool, but cool does not win races.
01-30-2004, 04:16 PM
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So does that mean you voted no?
Open RecordSet
Do While NOT RecordSet.EOF
If RecordSet("Car", "Model", "Make", "Year") Will Ever Benefit from STB Then
Vote = "YES"
ELSE
Vote = "NO"
End If
If Vote = "YES" Then
Response.Write("Vote YES!!!!")
Response.END
End If
Next
Loop
Close RecordSet
Set RecordSet = Nothing
If Vote ="NO" Then
Response.Write("I was wrong a Strut Tower Brace will never ever have any benefit whatsofookingever to any car ever created or concieved of by (Wo)Man and the entire concept should be wiped from history never to be spoken of again. And if it is, ye who though of it will be beaten to death by said device and have it permanately implanted in their ****. Vote NO ")
End If
Does that answer your question?
01-30-2004, 04:27 PM
#38
Race Car
Originally posted by W88951
Select Car, Model, Make, Year From tblEveryCarKnownToMan WHERE (Car IS NOT NULL)
Open RecordSet
Do While NOT RecordSet.EOF
If RecordSet("Car", "Model", "Make", "Year") Will Ever Benefit from STB Then
Vote = "YES"
ELSE
Vote = "NO"
End If
If Vote = "YES" Then
Response.Write("Vote YES!!!!")
Response.END
End If
Next
Loop
Close RecordSet
Set RecordSet = Nothing
If Vote ="NO" Then
Response.Write("I was wrong a Strut Tower Brace will never ever have any benefit whatsofookingever to any car ever created or concieved of by (Wo)Man and the entire concept should be wiped from history never to be spoken of again. And if it is, ye who though of it will be beaten to death by said device and have it permanately implanted in their ****. Vote NO ")
End If
Does that answer your question?
Select Car, Model, Make, Year From tblEveryCarKnownToMan WHERE (Car IS NOT NULL)
Open RecordSet
Do While NOT RecordSet.EOF
If RecordSet("Car", "Model", "Make", "Year") Will Ever Benefit from STB Then
Vote = "YES"
ELSE
Vote = "NO"
End If
If Vote = "YES" Then
Response.Write("Vote YES!!!!")
Response.END
End If
Next
Loop
Close RecordSet
Set RecordSet = Nothing
If Vote ="NO" Then
Response.Write("I was wrong a Strut Tower Brace will never ever have any benefit whatsofookingever to any car ever created or concieved of by (Wo)Man and the entire concept should be wiped from history never to be spoken of again. And if it is, ye who though of it will be beaten to death by said device and have it permanately implanted in their ****. Vote NO ")
End If
Does that answer your question?
01-30-2004, 04:33 PM
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Is the sky blue?
But what I think is really more important is if we attach a Strut Tower brace between the Rocky Mountains and the Himalayas will we reduce the number of earthquakes in California?
01-30-2004, 04:43 PM
#41
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Originally posted by W88951
If your car is not already in good shape, the best place to spend your money is to make sure that everything else works first.
No point in adding a STB to a car with bad shocks, missing swaybar bushings and flat tires. Sure it will look cool, but cool does not win races.
If your car is not already in good shape, the best place to spend your money is to make sure that everything else works first.
No point in adding a STB to a car with bad shocks, missing swaybar bushings and flat tires. Sure it will look cool, but cool does not win races.
I said: It should be used to 'micro-tune' your suspension, after all else has been done.
I don't have one, so I guess that would explain why I'm an outcast and 'not cool' at the track events. :P
So at the end of the day, we see eye to eye. Well, kinda.
-Z-man.
01-30-2004, 04:58 PM
#42
Race Director
Originally posted by W88951
Select Car, Model, Make, Year From tblEveryCarKnownToMan WHERE (Car IS NOT NULL)
Open RecordSet
Do While NOT RecordSet.EOF
If RecordSet("Car", "Model", "Make", "Year") Will Ever Benefit from STB Then
Vote = "YES"
ELSE
Vote = "NO"
End If
If Vote = "YES" Then
Response.Write("Vote YES!!!!")
Response.END
End If
Next
Loop
Close RecordSet
Set RecordSet = Nothing
If Vote ="NO" Then
Response.Write("I was wrong a Strut Tower Brace will never ever have any benefit whatsofookingever to any car ever created or concieved of by (Wo)Man and the entire concept should be wiped from history never to be spoken of again. And if it is, ye who though of it will be beaten to death by said device and have it permanately implanted in their ****. Vote NO ")
End If
Does that answer your question?
Select Car, Model, Make, Year From tblEveryCarKnownToMan WHERE (Car IS NOT NULL)
Open RecordSet
Do While NOT RecordSet.EOF
If RecordSet("Car", "Model", "Make", "Year") Will Ever Benefit from STB Then
Vote = "YES"
ELSE
Vote = "NO"
End If
If Vote = "YES" Then
Response.Write("Vote YES!!!!")
Response.END
End If
Next
Loop
Close RecordSet
Set RecordSet = Nothing
If Vote ="NO" Then
Response.Write("I was wrong a Strut Tower Brace will never ever have any benefit whatsofookingever to any car ever created or concieved of by (Wo)Man and the entire concept should be wiped from history never to be spoken of again. And if it is, ye who though of it will be beaten to death by said device and have it permanately implanted in their ****. Vote NO ")
End If
Does that answer your question?
SIGNAL MAIN
GET_CAR_LIST: PROCEDURE EXPOSE CARINPUT CAR_ARRAY.
ADDRESS TSO "ALLOC DA('"CARINPUT"') F(INLIST) SHR"
"EXECIO * DISKR INLIST (STEM INPUT_ARRAY. FINIS)"
RETURN
CHECK_FOR_STB_EFFECTIVENESS: PROCEUDRE CAR_ARRAY. RESULT_Array.
DO X = 1 TO CAR_ARRAY.0
CAR = substr(car_array,1,15)
STB = substr(car_array,16,1)
REASON = substr(car_array,18,20)
If STB = "Y" and REASON = "To improve handling" then output = "Why bother?"
If STB = "Y" and REASON = "To look cool" then output = "OK, keep it on."
If STB = "N" then output = "You are wise, grasshopper."
OUTPUT_count = OUTPUT_count + 1
RESULT_Array.OUTPUT_count = output
End /* End do X loop */
End /* End procedure Check_for_STB_EFFECTIVENESS */
WRITE_OUTPUT: PROCEDURE EXPOSE RESULT_array.
ADDRESS TSO "ALLOC DA('"CARREST"') F(OUTTAPE1) SHR"
"EXECIO * DISKW OUTTAPE1 (STEM REST_ARRAY. FINIS)"
END
CLOSE_Files: PROCEDURE EXPOSE RESULT_Array.
"EXECIO 0 DISKW OUTTAPE1 (FINIS"
END
MAIN:
DO
CARINPUT = "ALL CARS IN THE WORLD"
CALL GET_CAR_LIST
CALL CHECK_FOR_STB_EFFECTIVENESS
CALL CLOSE_FILES
END /* End Main */
-Z-man, a mainframe sysetms programmer / dinosaur!
(And yeah, it's Friday! )
01-30-2004, 05:09 PM
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Ok Z-Man
Now if we attached a STB between two AS400's that were processing symetrical data using a Selection With Exchange method reading from a Magnetic Tape drive Would the STB help dampen the Harmonic load on the CD-ROM drive being used as a Cupholder in a MacNTrash in the other room?
Now if we attached a STB between two AS400's that were processing symetrical data using a Selection With Exchange method reading from a Magnetic Tape drive Would the STB help dampen the Harmonic load on the CD-ROM drive being used as a Cupholder in a MacNTrash in the other room?
01-30-2004, 05:15 PM
#44
Race Director
Magnetic tape? No way!
Use an IBM ESS800 SAN Storage unit. The only way to fly, baby! (We just got two of these units: 17TB of raid storage. AND IT's ALL MINE!! Muhahahaha!!!)
But I digress....
-Z.
Use an IBM ESS800 SAN Storage unit. The only way to fly, baby!
(We just got two of these units: 17TB of raid storage. AND IT's ALL MINE!! Muhahahaha!!!) But I digress....
-Z.
01-30-2004, 05:27 PM
#45
Burning Brakes
Z-man, Dave, I have an idea. At one of the autocrosses this season, run your morning runs as usual. Then, in the afternoon we can swap my strut brace onto your car and you can do your afternoon runs with it on. That should provide a direct comparison. Then you can comment on what you think. How's that sound? It'll take under 5 minutes to do the swap. Just make sure you're not in my run group. 
I would offer to let you drive my car, but there's too many other variables that could account for the differences in handling. (You can still drive it if you want.)
Z-man, alot did 'click' this season, but there was alot of parts swapping involved too. It's interesting to see how the parts made a difference when I first put them on. And then what happened when I figured out how to use them. I'm making up a spreadsheet. I'll post it up when I'm finished.
I would offer to let you drive my car, but there's too many other variables that could account for the differences in handling. (You can still drive it if you want.)
Z-man, alot did 'click' this season, but there was alot of parts swapping involved too. It's interesting to see how the parts made a difference when I first put them on. And then what happened when I figured out how to use them. I'm making up a spreadsheet. I'll post it up when I'm finished.