The 944 Turbo Anderson MW Conversion
12-23-2003, 01:47 AM
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The 944 Turbo Anderson MW Conversion
So far so good, street driving was not an issue. I went to Willow Springs two weeks ago and was thoroughly pleased with the overall performance of the new engine. Stock brakes, suspension, and driver go figure not OK. Oil pressure wasn't what we wanted but we new the 2.7 would add to the exstenive oil heat without a cooler. Still we survived due to the low temperatures in Dec.
The Paragon oil cooler has since been added thanks to Jason and his quick re-routing of the product to Anderson's Motorworks.
The 2.7 turbo exuded a mass of HP that I was not expecting. The biggest concern was the brakes (obviously) but besides the oil temp the engine was turning and burning beyond our wildest belief.
As the run groups passed the confidence on the track built up. By Sat. night we were all feeling really good about the inevitable increase in boost for Sun.
All the cocktails aside Sat. night, John Anderson and I attempted to increase the boost based on Sat. accomplishments. Little by little we added a pound here and a pound there. By the second run group the car was so fast that I came in do a quick check of the engine's diagnostics. What would happend, but a blown water hose. That totally caught us off guard since it didn't raise the Temp beyond a tick. Thank God for the cool morning temps.
Quickly, AMW and crew replaced the burst water hose with a new new one, however, JA was still a little bit shy of turning me loose. The CO2 test came up negative when we checked the coolant water. Ok - what's that mean (even me)! Possible head gasket failure!! yikes!! Not too disappointing though since a winter storm was fast approaching.
We decided to pack it up and head home for the weekend. My eyeballs were still bug-eyed from the tremendous "Gs" from the morning run group. All the way back to San Diego I thought, "what could have gone wrong?"
Well, after getting into the shop and inspecting everything i.e.; rod bearings, crank, pistons, head, and head gasket - we didn't find anything out of the ordinary. (Swooooo)! Head gasket wasn't blown and all the other parts seemed race perfect. Attribute the water/co2 content to break-in gases in the engine.
For part 3 - new turbo brakes, exhaust system, oil cooler, suspension, and LOL.
'til then, Merry Christmas!
The Paragon oil cooler has since been added thanks to Jason and his quick re-routing of the product to Anderson's Motorworks.
The 2.7 turbo exuded a mass of HP that I was not expecting. The biggest concern was the brakes (obviously) but besides the oil temp the engine was turning and burning beyond our wildest belief.
As the run groups passed the confidence on the track built up. By Sat. night we were all feeling really good about the inevitable increase in boost for Sun.
All the cocktails aside Sat. night, John Anderson and I attempted to increase the boost based on Sat. accomplishments. Little by little we added a pound here and a pound there. By the second run group the car was so fast that I came in do a quick check of the engine's diagnostics. What would happend, but a blown water hose. That totally caught us off guard since it didn't raise the Temp beyond a tick. Thank God for the cool morning temps.
Quickly, AMW and crew replaced the burst water hose with a new new one, however, JA was still a little bit shy of turning me loose. The CO2 test came up negative when we checked the coolant water. Ok - what's that mean (even me)! Possible head gasket failure!! yikes!! Not too disappointing though since a winter storm was fast approaching.
We decided to pack it up and head home for the weekend. My eyeballs were still bug-eyed from the tremendous "Gs" from the morning run group. All the way back to San Diego I thought, "what could have gone wrong?"
Well, after getting into the shop and inspecting everything i.e.; rod bearings, crank, pistons, head, and head gasket - we didn't find anything out of the ordinary. (Swooooo)! Head gasket wasn't blown and all the other parts seemed race perfect. Attribute the water/co2 content to break-in gases in the engine.
For part 3 - new turbo brakes, exhaust system, oil cooler, suspension, and LOL.
'til then, Merry Christmas!
12-23-2003, 10:43 AM
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David, what kind of oil cooler did you get from Paragon?
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12-23-2003, 09:32 PM
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I'd say we're running around 10 lbs of boost right now and generating 250-275hp. We're trying to schudule a dyno day, but are running into a lot of conflcits with the holidays and track time.
Matt H - it's a Mocal, $329 for the kit. Go to their tech page and check it out
"http://www.tech-session.com/kb/index.php?page=index_v2&id=53&c="
Have a Merry Christmas and a wild new year!!
Matt H - it's a Mocal, $329 for the kit. Go to their tech page and check it out
"http://www.tech-session.com/kb/index.php?page=index_v2&id=53&c="
Have a Merry Christmas and a wild new year!!
12-23-2003, 11:02 PM
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No - stock. Our water temp is pretty much subzero, even at racing speeds.
When you first re-build an engine there is a period of time when the various "new" metals/alloys resting side-by-side have to get to know each and learn to live with one another for a long, long time.
During this "break-in" period, the gaskets also have to start working so gases from the exhaust, intake, turbo, head, et all are prone to show up in the water. Sorta like when something breaks out here in SoCal and the sewer starts running into the ocean. Not good!
In an engine that's completely broken in you don't want any of these off-gases in the water. During break-in they may or may not show up, again depends on the mating of the gaskets, metals, and alloys.
Our test showed that there was some content of CO3 in the water - apparently just from the break-in period. Everything else is solid. So we changed the oil and the water.
Merry Christmas!
When you first re-build an engine there is a period of time when the various "new" metals/alloys resting side-by-side have to get to know each and learn to live with one another for a long, long time.
During this "break-in" period, the gaskets also have to start working so gases from the exhaust, intake, turbo, head, et all are prone to show up in the water. Sorta like when something breaks out here in SoCal and the sewer starts running into the ocean. Not good!
In an engine that's completely broken in you don't want any of these off-gases in the water. During break-in they may or may not show up, again depends on the mating of the gaskets, metals, and alloys.
Our test showed that there was some content of CO3 in the water - apparently just from the break-in period. Everything else is solid. So we changed the oil and the water.
Merry Christmas!
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12-24-2003, 12:18 AM
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I went to AM site and they have 944 super-charger conversions. On average, how much do those run and are they CA Smog legal? If not, is there way to make those legal?
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12-24-2003, 01:19 AM
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I'm not sure if they are legal in CA. There was talk on another thread about, basicly it takes alot of time, trouble and cash to get a CARB # to make them CA legal. That's the most part of it, not really a matter of passing emissions tests. Atleast that's how I read it.
12-24-2003, 03:27 AM
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Sasha,
Or you could just save the hassle and buy a 951. I'm hooked and I'm waist deep in doing water pump, belts, 968 M030 sways, Konis. Where are you in the Inland Empire? I'm in Murrieta.
Or you could just save the hassle and buy a 951. I'm hooked and I'm waist deep in doing water pump, belts, 968 M030 sways, Konis. Where are you in the Inland Empire? I'm in Murrieta.
12-24-2003, 05:13 PM
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I haven't heard very good things about turbo charging, very noisy and unreliable. I recommend a 2.5 turbo conversion or buying a 951 (good ones aren't cheep).
12-24-2003, 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by David Ray
I haven't heard very good things about turbo charging, very noisy and unreliable. I recommend a 2.5 turbo conversion or buying a 951 (good ones aren't cheep).
I haven't heard very good things about turbo charging, very noisy and unreliable. I recommend a 2.5 turbo conversion or buying a 951 (good ones aren't cheep).
Jonas