How Many 944 S2 Were Built?
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Alex: Why is that car so fecking beautiful.
You caght it at just the right angle. Never thought a blue car would look that nice.
Alex: Why is that car so fecking beautiful.
You caght it at just the right angle. Never thought a blue car would look that nice.
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Originally posted by Blue S2
That S2 has cup wheels, blacked out turn signals, and a paint to match spoiler. None of which are factory, which leads me to question originality all together. I guess someone could have just added all that and painted the spoiler.
That S2 has cup wheels, blacked out turn signals, and a paint to match spoiler. None of which are factory, which leads me to question originality all together. I guess someone could have just added all that and painted the spoiler.
Mirrors and wheels apart, I'm pretty certain the car's original. Not sure what you mean about the turn signals - maybe it's another Euro/US difference. My brother's car has the same lights:
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Alex,where did you get the data on the Stuttgart built S2's? I've heard that some were built there, but didn't know there was information as to how many.
I'm surprised about how the US/RoW sales figures differ from 968 US/RoW sales. S2 US sales are less than a third of the 20 thousand sold, but 968 US sales were about half of the 13 thousand sold.
I'm surprised about how the US/RoW sales figures differ from 968 US/RoW sales. S2 US sales are less than a third of the 20 thousand sold, but 968 US sales were about half of the 13 thousand sold.
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Damian, it's in the Morgan book (aka The Waterpumper Bible). It says S2 production was transferred there from 1/1/1991. As they were all Euro cars, I assume this means all 1991 US cars were built before the end of 1990. Can anyone confirm this?
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The VIN also states where the car was made. If it was a Stuttgart car, there will be a designation. I believe its the 11th character. Usually an N for Neckarsulm, but an S will be there for Stuttgart. Yes, again it is in the Peter Morgan book. 130 coupes made for europe, probably the last run of then, were built at the other plant.
Ive never seen a 1991 S2, photos or life- in the US, with a painted spoiler, unless the owner did it himself/herself. I didnt realize it was an option over there. I have the fact book, dealer sales guide, and oction price list for the S2, and it is never mentioned in there. I guess you could go custom, but then again, thats also really rare on the 944 line. Makes it even more rare being it had to be an option on only one car during one year. Im actually really curious to dig this deeper. Ive gotten in contact with the S2 Register through PCA and am awaiting a response. That portion of PCA is in a bit of a state change at the moment. I wonder if there is a list i can view.
Ive never seen a 1991 S2, photos or life- in the US, with a painted spoiler, unless the owner did it himself/herself. I didnt realize it was an option over there. I have the fact book, dealer sales guide, and oction price list for the S2, and it is never mentioned in there. I guess you could go custom, but then again, thats also really rare on the 944 line. Makes it even more rare being it had to be an option on only one car during one year. Im actually really curious to dig this deeper. Ive gotten in contact with the S2 Register through PCA and am awaiting a response. That portion of PCA is in a bit of a state change at the moment. I wonder if there is a list i can view.
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Tony, all I can think is maybe the painted wing was only introduced on Stuttgart built cars - which would explain why there are none in the US.
All I can say is, information from Porsche can be confusing and often contradictory. My '92 has the option 'piping to front seats' (body colour), which isn't even in the 1992 price list I have...
What isn't in doubt though, is if you have an S2 (or 968) in a rare colour - it's virtually unique
(Damn guards red, that counts mine out)
All I can say is, information from Porsche can be confusing and often contradictory. My '92 has the option 'piping to front seats' (body colour), which isn't even in the 1992 price list I have...
What isn't in doubt though, is if you have an S2 (or 968) in a rare colour - it's virtually unique
(Damn guards red, that counts mine out)
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Whats even more rare is the 1992 or 1982 models. Apparently there are some floating around. I WISH i had color match piping, AND color matched stitching in my car! Then it would truly be a dream come true! Ive seen a euro 1991 S2 that was orange (custom) with painted spoiler as well. Somebody posted a violet blue metallic 968 on another post, and that was very unique. Im curious as to the numbers of some of these rare colors.
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The 82s are not rare in Europe - came out in late 81 as an 82, so nearly a full year's worth were built before the 83 model year changeover in July/August 82.
As far as I know, no genuine 92s exist, even though people over here say they have one. The reason for this is, generally over here people don't go by model years so much, they will quote you the year their car was first registered (ie when it was sold new).
The 968 wasn't launched here until mid-92, so the remaining stocks of 91 S2s were being sold well into 1992. Given the recession at the time, they weren't exactly flying out the door! My car's a 92, but wasn't sold until January 1993
As far as I know, no genuine 92s exist, even though people over here say they have one. The reason for this is, generally over here people don't go by model years so much, they will quote you the year their car was first registered (ie when it was sold new).
The 968 wasn't launched here until mid-92, so the remaining stocks of 91 S2s were being sold well into 1992. Given the recession at the time, they weren't exactly flying out the door! My car's a 92, but wasn't sold until January 1993
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As far as I know, no genuine 92s exist, even though people over here say they have one. The reason for this is, generally over here people don't go by model years so much, they will quote you the year their car was first registered (ie when it was sold new).
As far as I know, no genuine 92s exist, even though people over here say they have one. The reason for this is, generally over here people don't go by model years so much, they will quote you the year their car was first registered (ie when it was sold new).
Originally posted by Alex Cook
The 968 wasn't launched here until mid-92, so the remaining stocks of 91 S2s were being sold well into 1992. Given the recession at the time, they weren't exactly flying out the door! My car's a 92, but wasn't sold until January 1993
The 968 wasn't launched here until mid-92, so the remaining stocks of 91 S2s were being sold well into 1992. Given the recession at the time, they weren't exactly flying out the door! My car's a 92, but wasn't sold until January 1993
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I know a color-matched wing on a 968 was a Porsche option, so it is convievable that the same was offered on a 944S2.
I have #2450 out of 2691 cars build for US/Can during the 1989 MY.
Guards Red: perhaps the most rarest of all 944S2 colors! [Insert sarcastic Smilie here]
-Z-man.
I have #2450 out of 2691 cars build for US/Can during the 1989 MY.
Guards Red: perhaps the most rarest of all 944S2 colors! [Insert sarcastic Smilie here]
-Z-man.
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My 89 S2 is LM5P Dove Blue Metallic (aka Baltic blue). It's much more rare than Guards Red, Alpine White, or Black, but I don't think it's that rare. I've seen a few here on Rennlist but I've never seen another in person.
My car is #2112. I always was a Rush fan so I think that's pretty cool.
My car is #2112. I always was a Rush fan so I think that's pretty cool.
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Last 4 numbers of the vin is your serial number for your build year. So mine is a 1991, serial number 0108. For 91 cars, i assume that number only reaches 0510. (US)
Hey! Thanks for the pic! I am really interested in one day trying to find the other blue cars. I am aware of one in NJ, and one in the UK. That is NOT the same UK car i have pictures of. That S2 has cup wheels, blacked out turn signals, and a paint to match spoiler. None of which are factory, which leads me to question originality all together. I guess someone could have just added all that and painted the spoiler.
Ok, so we know of 2 Cobalts in the UK, and 2 in the US. Anyone else?
Hey! Thanks for the pic! I am really interested in one day trying to find the other blue cars. I am aware of one in NJ, and one in the UK. That is NOT the same UK car i have pictures of. That S2 has cup wheels, blacked out turn signals, and a paint to match spoiler. None of which are factory, which leads me to question originality all together. I guess someone could have just added all that and painted the spoiler.
Ok, so we know of 2 Cobalts in the UK, and 2 in the US. Anyone else?