are 912's worth buying?
08-30-2001, 03:28 PM
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are 912's worth buying?
I'm thinking about buying a Porsche and can't quite afford a 911, but do not want to buy a 914. Are the 912's worth buying, or are they just a 914 with a 911 body?
08-30-2001, 03:42 PM
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I just bought my first Porsche about 3 weeks ago, a 1969 - 912 and I love it.
The real nice part I find is that it is easy to work on and parts are fairly easy to get. A lot of fun to drive too!
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I just bought my first Porsche about 3 weeks ago, a 1969 - 912 and I love it.
The real nice part I find is that it is easy to work on and parts are fairly easy to get. A lot of fun to drive too!
Craign
08-31-2001, 11:34 AM
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You bet. Check out the 912REgistry for nws, link to Hemming Motor News's article about rising values, etc. My guess is the classic long hood styling of a 65-69 912 is going to be even more classic as 356's become inaccessible for the average collector. Many people appreciate the 912, it's good balance, and parts availablity. Early 911's can be problematic and parts, of course, are quite $. There is a 911 vs. 912 bias, but 912's are increasingly prized, particularly the 69 912.
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08-31-2001, 10:47 PM
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www.912Registry.com
has vaulation charts or go to Pelican Parts BBS 912 section where there is a similar thread w/ info - Good luck - Scott
has vaulation charts or go to Pelican Parts BBS 912 section where there is a similar thread w/ info - Good luck - Scott
09-02-2001, 10:15 AM
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I'm the guy who started the "learning about 912s" thread on Pelican. What I am trying to determine is what is a good offer for a 67 912, some rust around the windshield, belly pans replaced, engine out (was running 10yrs ago), needs clutch. It's a 4 speed, interior in above average condition. This car may become available in the future. What's it worth or is it a parts car only?
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09-02-2001, 10:30 AM
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It's hard to judge at distance and to a certain extent it depends on you. A parts car out west is often a builder back east. My 68 sunroof will need pans front to back, so it would be a good candidate for a parts car except I have the time & space to complete project. I posted on Pelican my 67 and 68 as examples. Some people use the valuation charts/what they can get out of the car to determine what it is worth putting into it. Others enjoy the hobby and don't worry as much about breaking even or getting ahead on a project. From your description you can estimate it will take body work, engine work, and a paint job to bring it back so build that into you budget. Good luck - Scott
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09-02-2001, 01:55 PM
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That being the case, then what is the value (the real one) of a clean 67 912? I've looked at the market reports and they just don't seem to reflect the actual selling prices here in NC. Example- my 951 according to the report should have cost me over $8k, I paid less than 6. I could go on, but my case is not an isolated one. Early 944s are going for much less than report value as well. The only cases that seem to even remotely track the report are the 911s. The car in question has great potential, it could easily be put back on the road. I really like the 911/912s but I'm totally at sea when it comes to figuring a fair offer for a car in the shape I've described.
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Well let's see what other have to say about this breakdown (I'm assuming you'll be outsourcing the work onthe 67 instead of doing it yourself for fun or profit).
>67 912, some rust around the windshield,
Where there is some rust, there is more. Plan on stripping at least this area to get rid of the rust and possible replace this section. Body parts available through the catalogs. Body work can get expensive fast. Factor this in your offer.
>belly pans replaced,
Good. Check them to see if they are solid and look at the seams closely. They must have had something to weld the new pans to and that in itself is a good sign.
>engine out (was running 10yrs ago),
Plan on a complete overhaul. Or swap it for a rebuilt engine +/- $4,000.
>needs clutch.
Plan on aclutch package - clutch, pressure plate, throwout bearing, pinon bearing and probably resurface flywheel. All said, possibly $1,000.
>It's a 4 speed,
Worth more if it's a 5 speed, but many folks insist the 4 speed are designed better/hold up longer than 5 speeds. I have a 5 and a 4 on reserve for the day its time to remove & repair.
>interior in above average condition.
Good, but this doesn't count for much. The dash is part of the frame, so if it not straight it can be hard to fix, but bboltin trim is an easy fix/parts readily available.
Additional points to consider:
Replace the master cylinder and all brakes lines immediately, and quite possible all calipers are frozen/pitted/ in need of repair. Rotors may have wear tolerance left, so a turn on the lathe and they might work, otherwise that's an addition expense.
Electric system. This could be easy, and work, or full of shorts, and drive you crazy.
>What's it worth?
Again, impossible to tell at a distance but I do have some experience (you could spend a fortune rebuilding this car and never have it show worthy). If you are looking for a driver, and have money to spend on all the points noted above (and any I've forgotten), perhaps $1500?
The engine itself is worth something, but we can't look inside it w/o tearing it down - who knows what you'll find.
There are so many on the market if you are not in the mind to do all this work, you may find another 912 that someone else has spent time & $ on for less.
Good luck - Scott
>67 912, some rust around the windshield,
Where there is some rust, there is more. Plan on stripping at least this area to get rid of the rust and possible replace this section. Body parts available through the catalogs. Body work can get expensive fast. Factor this in your offer.
>belly pans replaced,
Good. Check them to see if they are solid and look at the seams closely. They must have had something to weld the new pans to and that in itself is a good sign.
>engine out (was running 10yrs ago),
Plan on a complete overhaul. Or swap it for a rebuilt engine +/- $4,000.
>needs clutch.
Plan on aclutch package - clutch, pressure plate, throwout bearing, pinon bearing and probably resurface flywheel. All said, possibly $1,000.
>It's a 4 speed,
Worth more if it's a 5 speed, but many folks insist the 4 speed are designed better/hold up longer than 5 speeds. I have a 5 and a 4 on reserve for the day its time to remove & repair.
>interior in above average condition.
Good, but this doesn't count for much. The dash is part of the frame, so if it not straight it can be hard to fix, but bboltin trim is an easy fix/parts readily available.
Additional points to consider:
Replace the master cylinder and all brakes lines immediately, and quite possible all calipers are frozen/pitted/ in need of repair. Rotors may have wear tolerance left, so a turn on the lathe and they might work, otherwise that's an addition expense.
Electric system. This could be easy, and work, or full of shorts, and drive you crazy.
>What's it worth?
Again, impossible to tell at a distance but I do have some experience (you could spend a fortune rebuilding this car and never have it show worthy). If you are looking for a driver, and have money to spend on all the points noted above (and any I've forgotten), perhaps $1500?
The engine itself is worth something, but we can't look inside it w/o tearing it down - who knows what you'll find.
There are so many on the market if you are not in the mind to do all this work, you may find another 912 that someone else has spent time & $ on for less.
Good luck - Scott
09-03-2001, 02:52 PM
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Scott-
I was a Fiat wrench in another lifetime, most of the stuff we're talking about here is nothing new. I can do virtually all of it myself. As for the price, I was thinking along the lines of sub $1k due to possible undisclosed problems. I don't want to be upside down in this car if anything surfaces. Parts are as much as 911 stuff (surprise) but are at least available. The car and engine are sitting in a barn, and there are a number of parts inside of the car. I've done windshield rust before, it's just aggravating to deal with. If I do get this car, all of the stuff you mentioned is on the "to do" list. BTW- I've also run across a '74 914 as well, it's nowhere near as good a shape as the 912, probably just good for a parts car.
I was a Fiat wrench in another lifetime, most of the stuff we're talking about here is nothing new. I can do virtually all of it myself. As for the price, I was thinking along the lines of sub $1k due to possible undisclosed problems. I don't want to be upside down in this car if anything surfaces. Parts are as much as 911 stuff (surprise) but are at least available. The car and engine are sitting in a barn, and there are a number of parts inside of the car. I've done windshield rust before, it's just aggravating to deal with. If I do get this car, all of the stuff you mentioned is on the "to do" list. BTW- I've also run across a '74 914 as well, it's nowhere near as good a shape as the 912, probably just good for a parts car.
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