Current 930 Values are these Realistic?
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Once values reach a point (which I think we're seeing now), I believe ROW cars are no longer hamstringed by not being a U.S.-market car. Besides having more hp (always a good thing) and generally cleaner lines, the price to export them back to Europe no longer becomes an issue because the cars themselves have become so valuable. And of course when dollar is weaker, we see more cars leaving the U.S., and a Euro-spec car is preferred when exporting back to Euro-land.
At least this is what I keep telling myself!
At least this is what I keep telling myself!
They did finally inspect it for about an hour, wired the cash, and hauled it away. Bingo bango. I dont think it was on the market for 3 days. It was a very nice original car. Nothing that screams Pebble Beach, but straight and no stories. We were all waiting for the horror story. But, it went through like a piece of cake. I think the folks advertise in the back of Pano or Excellence.
BTW, I inquired with Condon Skelly. Im checking to see if my agent writes for them. If I dont have to fart around with another damn appraisal, Id rather not. Its totally ridiculous when I had one done last year. C-S appears not to need one.
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You'll find less tire kicking with the euro buyers, they are also not hung up on the milage. They check the condition, if it's good they buy.
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There were a ton of grey market Benz, Porsche and Beemers that came from Europe...my CSL (rusted...) was one of them...now they are going back...
I just sold my 2008GT2 to a someone in Eastern Europe...not sure whom...
I just sold my 2008GT2 to a someone in Eastern Europe...not sure whom...
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This is frankly old news: Germans have been over here a couple years now repatriating Euro spec cars. Anyone who thinks a grey market US car is worth less, all else equal, than a US car, has just not been paying attention. These are collector cars now, not used cars, and as such valued on condition. The 75/76 are legit 'Milestone' cars, and the rest will follow in proportion to their rarity and historicity.
Other interesting pockets have been stirring e.g. a contingent of Porsche Motorsports has been quietly buying up the air-cooled cup cars that found their way to the US.
As we have aged, the iconic cars of our youth have, in inverse relation to ourselves, become more desirable and respected with time...
Other interesting pockets have been stirring e.g. a contingent of Porsche Motorsports has been quietly buying up the air-cooled cup cars that found their way to the US.
As we have aged, the iconic cars of our youth have, in inverse relation to ourselves, become more desirable and respected with time...
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I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this statement. The Euro cars have documentation issues. Speedometers that have been replaced and no documents to support the reported mileage. I can trace my car back to the original owner (1 owner), all the records (service, oil changes etc. etc.) that support the reported mileage. With a Euro spec car it's a crap shoot. That affects values IMHO.
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Unless miles are exceptionally low they do not matter. My car is a euro car with a title that states its actual miles are 48k. That title is now 18 years old. Again miles don't matter. And it will matter less and less. Look at the current 3.0 market. Most of these cars have 100k +. What does matter is condition! condition! condition!. Also keep this in mind, euro cars will bring the most money overseas. Those buyers could care less about miles. Again condition! condition! condition!
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Condition over miles all day everyday.
I've built 2 930s, one had 38k the other 99k. Guess which car needed a complete restoration... Like Tony said condition, condition, condition !
I've built 2 930s, one had 38k the other 99k. Guess which car needed a complete restoration... Like Tony said condition, condition, condition !
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This is so true. It's just as easy to swap out mileage/speedometers on a US built car or disconnect the speedometer. Oldest trick in the book when it comes to these old girls. As TT Gasman has stated..CONDITION is key.
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I'll have to respectfully disagree with you on this statement. The Euro cars have documentation issues. Speedometers that have been replaced and no documents to support the reported mileage. I can trace my car back to the original owner (1 owner), all the records (service, oil changes etc. etc.) that support the reported mileage. With a Euro spec car it's a crap shoot. That affects values IMHO.
As others have said, mileage can be faked no matter where your car was sold new. Documentation & condition that's appropriate for the mileage is really the only way to verify that you're buying a car with 30K miles and not one with 230K miles.
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