ZCAT3

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by John from WA:
<strong>A friend of mine has a good '87 930 on ebay right now and the price is at just 25k

John</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Have you considered the car John is refering to? It has a lot of extras and possibly may go for under 30K.

John - I do have a question on that car - why the repaint and why the change in color?

UDPride

Yeah Ive looked at that 1987 930 he is selling. It looks very nice but I said the same thing about the 930 I drove 350 miles roundtrip to see and it was downright mediocre. Man, I just feel scared buying a car 2000 miles away. Id want it fully inspected. Any loving Rennlister in Seattle wanna be my new best friend.

Do all the modifications descrease the cars value or increase it???

Does anyone even know this guy.

Lets assume the worst. You buy the car and when you get it, its total crap. Now what?

ZCAT3

Well John is a long time rennlister and certainly seems to know his stuff on 930s - you should check out his site: <a href="http://www.my930.com/" target="_blank">http://www.my930.com/</a> He is the person selling it on eBay. As for modifications, they can add value for sure as the parts are worth quite a bit and if they are integrated into the car correctly they can add great performance increases without hurting engine life to any significant degree. On the car John is selling I would want the re-paint issue addressed and would want engine specs on it (a dyno sheet would be great, as would leak down and compression numbers). I believe John Walker's Workshop in Seattle is a reputable shop and could do a thorough PPI for you.

If everything checks out and John's friend is willing to agree, you could reserve the right to reject the car upon personal inspection. I bought my 993TT this way from a gentleman in Dallas. We agreed to a price and then I had 2 PPIs done on it. They both came back very solid, so I flew to Dallas (I bought a round trip ticket returning the next day just in case). The owner met me at the airport and the car was flawless. I started my drive back to San Francisco that evening.

UDPride

Good ideas. Im not sure Id be able to swing driving it back from Seattle though. Thats 2000 miles.

I agree on the repaint. If it was a professional job thats not amajor concern, but if it was an Earl Scheib, that could be a problem. A slightly downgrade in resale b/c its not the factory color wouldnt bother me if it was done extremely well.

Almost like its just too many details to be ironed out in a day, which is when the auction ends unless someone wants to sell it to a Rennlister.

I WAS IN SEATTLE IN MARCH!

Just curious, how much would it cost to truck a car from Seattle to Ohio? $500?

Bruce M.

Covered--over $1,000 easy. Uncovered, maybe $800.

At least from prices I've paid in the past....

UDPride

Yikes.

Luis de Prat

FWIW, I had a buyer for my 944S2 cab from Denver, CO when I was considering selling it last November get quotes on trucking it over from Miami. Lowest reputable shipper quoted $1,500.

Personally, I would get a U-Haul or something and do it myself. A 930 is worth the extra effort, IMHO. Myself, I drove the 951 cab from Zürich to Barcelona. It was a blast and I was on vacation anyway!

UDPride

I took a look at the 1988 red 930 this morning. Didnt drive it or start it or anything. Purely a detailed eye inspection of the car itself with a fine toothed comb.

Here's what I know:
1988 Red Porsche 11 Turbo, tan interior
Asking price: $35,500
Miles: 53K
Extra on car: 17x9 BBS LMs rear, 17x7.5 LMs in front - supposedly has Fuchs too. Sports seats. Momo wheel.

All VINs matched. Original stereo. Mostly a stock car otherwise. Car A/C converted to R134A about 4yrs ago or 1500 miles ago. Car driven about 1000 in last 3yrs.

Paint and exterior fit and finish excellent. No scratches, dents, or chips. Paint has very strong shine. Probably a 9.5 out of 10. Front spoiler is mint w/Porsche crest on it. BBS rims appear mint. I looked hard but couldnt find hardly a blemish other than a small chip on very bottom of rear of car that was hardly noticeable and patched w/paint. Maybe size of quarter. You could see the small outline on outer edge of paint patch. If you werent looking on hands and knees you wouldnt see it.

Interior is probably 9 out of 10. Dash is perfect with no sign of any wear and tear. Sports seats are excellent, no cracks, rips or tears. Both power seats work. Rear seats are near mint. Very slight wear on the back seats where carpet is when folded down. Nothing big. More like a couple pock marks. Carpet is probably 8.5 out of 10 throughout rest of car. A slight darkening from wear in spots but overall excellent. All ***** switches, etc in tact and little signs of wear.

Trunk carpeting is black, unlike interior or car which is tan. Is this a reaplacement or is this how it came from the factory? Spare tire appears never used. Plastic surgical gloves still present. Could not find air-compressor or tool kit in trunk, otherwise trunk was untouched. On initial inspection didnt see any damage under trunk carpet.

Engine compartment is clean. Sticker from shop (same shop I go to actually) with R134A conversion info. Clutch on car was replaced 4000miles ago.

Underbody appeared decent from getting on my hands and knees. Factory exhaust looked okay. Wont know until its on a rack.

I will probably call my shop since they service this car and ask them their opinion. They originally found the car for the owner too. Would a PPI be redundant?

Overall the car is probably a 9 out of 10. At 53K miles it has aged nicely and probably compares favorably to cars with 35-40K miles.

Of course, I have not driven it yet but I will and theres no reason to think it wont pull as well as it looks.

So are we in agreement the guy is way high on price? The very recent replaced clutch is a plus as well as the R134A conversion. The BBS rims were probably $2500 (he wont recoup this in asking price) but he does have the Fuchs which by their lonesome are probably $1000-1500. Stock stero is a bummer but some people like to pay a small premium for a very stock looking car including stereo.

Im willing to add value over a normal 930 in this condition of maybe $1000 because its got two sets of rims (I dont know if the other rims have rubber on them too). That being the case, what do all of you think. I would say this car is a very fine example of a 1988 930, but its not the only one if one is patient and looks hard.

With all Ive said, Id like to hear some ballpark figures from the 930 owners crowd.

Bruce M.

Unless you are an experienced Porsche mechanic, a PPI is NEVER redundant. NEVER try to save money by skipping one. ALWAYS have it done by another reputable shop.

My gut tells me, IF the PPI checks out as well as your exterior inspection, that this is about a $32,500 car.

UDPride

Thanks Bruce!

Yeah do you think I should take it to the same shop its serviced at? The shop its serviced at is the SAME shop I take my 951 to. Since they service the car would they be just snowballing it to make it sound like they only service the best, or be in a better position to tell me what they know? Or should I take it to the local Porsche dealer who doesnt service it?

Another interesting thing about the car is the cenrt console where the HVAC controls are and the stick. Its not the usual console. Its a bit larger and has slightly different *****/facia. It also has a 4-6 cassette holder built into it. Is this a differnt kind of floor mounted HVAC console from Porsche? Was this an added option? The console extends almost all the way up to the bottom of the dash itself. I wish I had a photo of it but its definitely a little different than the regular one thats smaller and falls a few inches below the dash. Maybe its because of that cassette holder.

Bruce M.

Can't help you on the console/cassette stuff. But definitely get another shop to do the PPI. I didn't, and regretted it. No offense on your part to the existing shop; just good business.

ken louie

UN pride,

From what you descibe of the center console it could be a 930S center console. As far as the car 35k seems high BUT it's sound like the car was well taken care of and does not need any work. Good luck ken

UDPride

I'll look and see if I can find any photos on the web of a 930s console and see if it matches the one in this car.

I think Im going to call my shop about their opinion on this car, then possibly take it to the local Porsche dealer for a new unbiased opinion with fresh eyes.

UDPride

Heres two photos of the exact same type of floor mounted center console in the car Im looking at:

<img src="http://www.classicauto-sales.com/cars/porsche88/p7.jpg" alt=" - " />

<img src="http://www.classicauto-sales.com/cars/porsche88/p3.jpg" alt=" - " />

UDPride

I drove the red 930 today. Drove great. Pulled hard. Very straight and true. TOok it out on the highway to maybe 80 (had the owner with me so couldnt unleash a flurry) and it drove very straight and predictable. First gear sticks just a little at a stop so you need to make sure you are really in the gear. Had to double up on it at one stop light when I apparently wasnt engaged but other than that the 4spd tranny shifted very fine. The owner had actually told me of this about 5 miles before it happened. I wouldnt consider it a major deal as 930 4spds cant be shifted sloppily anyhow. Clutch, replaced 3000 miles ago, felt super. Speedo sesmed off 3-5mph but so is my 951 and I hear its more of a Porsche thing.

Car leaks a little oil. When I pulled back into the driveway I could see a couple drops underneath and smell it faintly. I know 98% of these things drip oil like a Land Rover so a watertight one is unusual. The question is how muhc oil does it leak and how much to fix if you DID want to watertight it. The owner said the mechanic (who is also my 951 mechanic) said part of the problem is the car needs to be driven more. Hes only put 1000 miles on it in three years. Id probably put 2K on it annually at the least. A/C as stated earlier was converted to R134A and blows fairly cold but as expected this isnt the car to drive in 105 degree heat. As long as it works fairly well thats fine as I wont use it often anyway. Having it converted to R134A is probably sufficient.

Owner said he bought the car 3yrs ago for $34,500. Since then other than preventive stuff hes put the $3000 BBS LM rims/rubber on it, Momo leather/wood wheel, and basically just rubs it with a diaper. Exterior is nearly flawless. He uses the California Duster on it after every time he drives it. Interior is very strong for a 53K mile car. Overall its just an extremely straight and tight car. BBS LM rims and Goodyear Eagle ZR rubber is practically brand new. And I will get the original Fuchs too. In lieu of a PPI, only fault with this car is the possible minor oil leak. Even at that though most of these things leak a little, just a question of how much this does or how much it would cost to seal them and make it bona fide watertight. Other than this, the car is just an extemely well kept preserved and pampered 1988 911 Turbo.

Im going to call the mechanic we share to get his opinion on it, then PPI it at the Porsche dealer and make an offer if the PPI doesnt open any big surprises.