Email me the pics, I will upload them for you.

 

2w, welcome to Rennlist and to new ownership of a fine car. Goodluck with the car.. My question is, if you didn't see Droops post would have listened more to Stephen or myself? Since you clearly were swayed by the carbon build up "position" If you have a valve failure or if infact you do have valve guide issues and your exhaust valves are not seating!! I'd truck my car down to Chris Andropoulos shop and slap the few hundred bucks on his table and say, "give me the carbon cleaner package".. And oh, by the way if it doesn't work, you owe me a topend overhaul.. Because, my emotions clouded my judgement... And, I used your advise to sway my decision..

The reason for my remarks is simple.. This is the internet, and many folks come here to get facts. Some of us have seen this trend or cycle happen over and over.. We can go thru the last 3 years on this exact board and see the few folks that have purchase 930's and in a short period of time have had to get engine rebuilds.. All of them have dreamed for carbon stuck between the valve and valve seat.. It's just not the case with the air-cooled turbo engine.. If carbon is being built up it's because you either have a tired engine.. Hence blowbye past the ring, with oil being burnt and thus creating carbon.. Or faulty worn valve guides, which will allow oil to pass hence the carbon build up.. Again what I am getting at it.. Chicken or the Egg.. Carbon is cause by... Symptom.. Worn components on the air-cooled engine... Either rings or guides.. Most likely guides.. Band aid fix is for the dealer that wants to sell the car, or the owner that has owned the car for 10 years and does not want to do a rebuild.. Not a recommendation for a new owner..

 

The sad thing is I have a box full parts from cars like these. The simple truth unless you got a screaming deal then you more or less will have more in this car then what you want. I use to think the same way many moons ago. No way at 50K miles does this need seats and valves, guides and springs and so on. These motors are high strung and depending on the environment full of heat. This kills guides, seats and the lack of valve adjustments beat the rocker adjuster, the stems mushroom and the damage occurs. The 50K mile car I am mentioning above, smoked like a turbo was bad. It was a bone stock car that was an 89. I could see day light from the burned valves past the seat. Bottom line here is changes are this is not carbon, and it if it is it is because it is using excessive oil. That much build up means something is going on. The half finned cylinders almost always are a culprit with mileage on them. My data, literally hundreds of 930 builds. The same things always come up time and time again. Inexperience can cost you. Hopefully it hasn't here.

Bottom line is if the price was adjusted for the issue then the purchase was a smart one. If not then I am sorry to see you taken like so many in the industry

Here are the pictures of your car.

 

Beauty. Looks like mine if I remember correctly.

 

Something about a black 930 that looks majestic...beautiful car! I think you should start setting aside some funds, if you haven't already, for some engine work and find a good reputable shop you can work with. Some shops will let you come in and work/assist along side there mechaincs as long as your level headed, don't get in the way and are willing to learn. It's a great way to get hands-on experance and learn about some of the in's and out's of your car. Get a set of work shop mauals, study how-to & maintenace literature, read this and other tech forums and listen to the knowlege guys.Then depending on how handy you are with the tools you can get a good set of metrics and sart doing some maintenace work yourself. I not talking about jumping right in the middle of a valve job but over time you'll be supprise what you can do yourself.

I think you'll find that these car are addicting and a real piece of engineering. The more you start learning about them the more "I wanta's" you'll have.

 

I say good on you Dan. Sometimes it's not the money, it's for the love of the car. I'd spend whatever I had to on my old girl, even if it outweighed the cost of the car, which is pretty unlikely. To some this is shear lunacy, but I get anxious when my car is in the shop and I have'nt been able to use or see it after a few days!. My wife wants to move out until it's back on it's nice piece of woolen carpet in the garage.

 

Well I can honestly say that I have learned a ton from this exchange! Thanks for the help.
I don't even have the car yet and I already feel like I caught something

 

Don't worry about it.

Even if you didn't get a screaming deal on it, your going to be screaming by the time you realize how much you have spent in mods and upgrades.

I've spent $40k on a new engine, mods and upgrades with me doing all the labor.

When you are driving it and the boost hits, you won't have a worry in the world.....

 

Totally agree, I’ve spent MUCH more than the purchase price of the car on mods and maintenance, you don't buy a 930 for cheep thrills, if you want that you'll buy a rice rocket, a tuned and well sorted 930 is like a nice watch or expensive shoes, they make you feel good when you wear them. And think if you spent the money on a new Jag or BMW you'd lose the cost of the mods in depreciation............ That's my logic .............

 

Geez, I guess I've got egg on my face now . . . guess I should have kept my mouth shut and waited for the experts to speak. 2w_rocket, sorry if I mislead you about the whole carbon thing, I wasn't convinced that was the problem either, but I was just suggesting quick something to eliminate the possibility, since your mechanic supposedly said he heard the air escaping thru the intake, not the exhaust, which is usually the case. I must state that I have a lot to learn in the Porsche world, I have only been working on em a year and a half, and my statements above do not represent my shop as a whole, the techs at my shop would probably be laughing if they read this; if we had that car in we would have pinpointed the problem right away. For the record, we don't sell intake flushes and BS like that, we just use those additives as part of a service for maintainence and they work well for that. Kevin your statements were kinda harsh but true.

I hope you got a good deal on the car, and can get a good shop, probably not the one you took it to for the PPI, to do a top end rebuild. 930s are great cars but obviously are expensive to maintain. Good luck, and listen to Kevin and Stephen. I will sit back and listen, maybe give advice on checking oil level, belt changes and brakes and valve adjusts, things like that I know well, and wait till I have a few engines under my belt before speaking up again . . .

---Chris A.

 

and I was on my way South with a couple of hundred bucks in hand....

At least with this lesson I will spend more money than I first thought BUT I will at least have a great piece of history to drive as opposed to getting my clock cleaned in the stock market and having some worthless wall paper.

 

Hear, hear...counting stocks in your investment portfolio is no where near the fun of planting your right foot on the rectangular pedal and listening to the symphony only a 930 can play.

Enjoy it. Learn about it. And maintain it.

Reminds of people that buy a expensive Swiss watches and save them for "only special occasion use only" and in the process, destroy the movement.

As you know, these fine crafted watches are meant to be worn as much as possible and if not, very least, invest on an auto-winder.

Same is true. Take a Rolex as an example. Even when used properly. It still needs every five years and maintenance trip to a Rolex repair facility (only two in the N.A.) to keep it the accurate Swiss time piece it was designed to be. (The tab usually runs $500 for the PMS).

Enjoy your new ride. Keep the revs up!

 

That's the spirit, I can tell you're quickly becoming one of us