My 930 Ranked Against A Modified Mitsu EVO IX and Legacy GT?
04-02-2006, 05:47 PM
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When I first bought my '83 3.2 carrera sport coupe I wondered if I had made a mistake. I found the handling a little scary after driving front engined rear wheel drive cars.
Anyway, I went and took out a subaru impreza 4x4 turbo. OK it went quite quick but boy was it dull and very uninteresting.
I knew I had made the right decision and after a few years got better at the handling. 7 years after the 911 purchase I bought the 930.
The 911 is no "euro box".
Anyway, I went and took out a subaru impreza 4x4 turbo. OK it went quite quick but boy was it dull and very uninteresting.
I knew I had made the right decision and after a few years got better at the handling. 7 years after the 911 purchase I bought the 930.
The 911 is no "euro box".
04-02-2006, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by UDPride
Youll never get laid driving an Evo over a 930. I had a WRX and it brought out the absolute worst in the candyass twentysomething crowd. Every trip to work was having to deal with the lollipops wanting to show how much stock in Gretty they own. Yawn.
Call me a wuss but I dont race anybody in my 930. I dont care if its a VW Rabbit. Whats to prove. Everybody wants my car. Nobody wants yours. The chicks want to stand next to me, they dont want to stand next to you. My car doesnt depreciate. Yours does. I get respect from Ferrari and Lamborghini owners. You dont. People come to car shows to get their picture taken in front of mine. Nobody does for you. Kids point at my car when I drive past. People think yours looks like a Plymouth Horizon.
Thats the general attitude I take. Im just speaking generically on the subject. Everything thats ever needed proving has long been proven. What I do with my car is beyond the lame dick-measuring so prevelant today. If you feel threatened, it sounds like you are already the loser.
I respect all cars and their performance. Its usually the ******** behind the wheel that tarnish things. Id rather get behind a Cord or Pace Arrow and take a leisurely drive in my 930 than feel like I need to prove something to the guy in the lane next to me. The only thing Id be proving is I dont deserve to own such a fine automobile.
OK rant off. I feel better.
Call me a wuss but I dont race anybody in my 930. I dont care if its a VW Rabbit. Whats to prove. Everybody wants my car. Nobody wants yours. The chicks want to stand next to me, they dont want to stand next to you. My car doesnt depreciate. Yours does. I get respect from Ferrari and Lamborghini owners. You dont. People come to car shows to get their picture taken in front of mine. Nobody does for you. Kids point at my car when I drive past. People think yours looks like a Plymouth Horizon.
Thats the general attitude I take. Im just speaking generically on the subject. Everything thats ever needed proving has long been proven. What I do with my car is beyond the lame dick-measuring so prevelant today. If you feel threatened, it sounds like you are already the loser.
I respect all cars and their performance. Its usually the ******** behind the wheel that tarnish things. Id rather get behind a Cord or Pace Arrow and take a leisurely drive in my 930 than feel like I need to prove something to the guy in the lane next to me. The only thing Id be proving is I dont deserve to own such a fine automobile.
OK rant off. I feel better.
04-03-2006, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by InC
Hi guys. I am driving a 930 and have no doubts that the japanese makes really good cars. Very strong engines that can take a lot of boost too. However like all cars, when over modded can be really uncomfortable and unreliable.
The EVO had more than 900hp but I am sure it was way off the trash hold. Don't think it can safely run that boost for a long time. We are talking about peak bhp here. Not constant hp. The German machines we have are quite safe to run at 380bhp although we have many of them running around safely with 400 to 500bhp used on the tracks too.
I guess the safe limit for the EVOs will be around 500 to 600bhp. They are fast but due to the drivetrain being AWD, they are much heavier and power loss is also great.
I have no problems keeping up with EVOs and Skylines with 400+bhp so far.
The EVO had more than 900hp but I am sure it was way off the trash hold. Don't think it can safely run that boost for a long time. We are talking about peak bhp here. Not constant hp. The German machines we have are quite safe to run at 380bhp although we have many of them running around safely with 400 to 500bhp used on the tracks too.
I guess the safe limit for the EVOs will be around 500 to 600bhp. They are fast but due to the drivetrain being AWD, they are much heavier and power loss is also great.
I have no problems keeping up with EVOs and Skylines with 400+bhp so far.
AMS Shop Car has 800awhp and has ran strong for 2 years and still going strong.Through countless drag events( First fastest Evo in the 1/4 9.41) and track events, same motor diffrent turbo and tune.
04-03-2006, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by slownrusty
Well gang I know most of you don't care for Japanese cars, but there is no denying the power (epecially out of the box) of the new Mitsu EVO IX (282hp) and the Legacy GT (250hp, 250ft.lbs).
Two of my closest friends came over the other night and they both have pretty heavily modified cars:
The EVO:
21psi (!!)
Reflashed ECU
Walbro 600hp fuel Pump
Cat back mandrel 75mm (3") exhaust
Cold Air Intake
Approx power 350-360hp
Weight (approx) 3150lbs
The Legacy GT:
18psi
Cobb Tuning ECU
Custom Bar & Plate Intercooler
Custom 4" - 3" downpipe
Full 3" custom mandrel exhaust
Approx power 310hp
Weight (approx) 3150lbs
My 930 has the usual bolts on that I have posted on here last summer \ fall.
The thought was the the EVO would at least have given me a good run for my money, as the car is very quick and I have driven it and it feels faster than my 930.
All three cars did a second gear roll from about 30mp/h to about 130mp/h and by the time I hit 130mp/h I was several hundred feet ahead of the EVO and the Suby was further behind the EVO....
We did not do any standing start runs to save our clutches and drivelines!
It was great fun and its good to see that the 930 still has the cahonies to put "the humble" on these much newer modern and powerul cars.
The interesting thing is that by the time my friends pay off for their Subaru and Mitsubishi's they could have got a mid '80s 930 and upgraded for less money! Boy did I make them think when I said that....
That's it for now!
Yasin
Two of my closest friends came over the other night and they both have pretty heavily modified cars:
The EVO:
21psi (!!)
Reflashed ECU
Walbro 600hp fuel Pump
Cat back mandrel 75mm (3") exhaust
Cold Air Intake
Approx power 350-360hp
Weight (approx) 3150lbs
The Legacy GT:
18psi
Cobb Tuning ECU
Custom Bar & Plate Intercooler
Custom 4" - 3" downpipe
Full 3" custom mandrel exhaust
Approx power 310hp
Weight (approx) 3150lbs
My 930 has the usual bolts on that I have posted on here last summer \ fall.
The thought was the the EVO would at least have given me a good run for my money, as the car is very quick and I have driven it and it feels faster than my 930.
All three cars did a second gear roll from about 30mp/h to about 130mp/h and by the time I hit 130mp/h I was several hundred feet ahead of the EVO and the Suby was further behind the EVO....
We did not do any standing start runs to save our clutches and drivelines!
It was great fun and its good to see that the 930 still has the cahonies to put "the humble" on these much newer modern and powerul cars.
The interesting thing is that by the time my friends pay off for their Subaru and Mitsubishi's they could have got a mid '80s 930 and upgraded for less money! Boy did I make them think when I said that....
That's it for now!
Yasin
About two months ago I raced a close friend of mine who has a new Elise. Our race was exactly the same as yours 30 - about 120 or so...
I HIGHLY recommend starting in 1st gear as opposed to 2nd from this speed, especially if you have a four-speed gearbox like I do. Sure 1st will only last a second or two, but you will be on boost a lot sooner and chances are you won't have to make up as much of a deficit.
I raced my buddy three times. The first time I was in 2nd at 30mph and got RAPED on the start. By the time he shut down at around 120, I was pulling on him HARD but I was already beaten by a serious margin!!! The last two races I started in 1st and he initially jumped me by about two car legnths, but by the time I was at the end of second gear, I was passing him like nothing and by the time I shut down at about 130, he was a good 3 or 4 carlegnths back...
Try this strategy next time you play with them...I promise you will surprise the He11 out of them!!!
04-05-2006, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajun
I usually take the same tact as UDPRIDE, but the one time I did race my car, I learned the following:
About two months ago I raced a close friend of mine who has a new Elise. Our race was exactly the same as yours 30 - about 120 or so...
I HIGHLY recommend starting in 1st gear as opposed to 2nd from this speed, especially if you have a four-speed gearbox like I do. Sure 1st will only last a second or two, but you will be on boost a lot sooner and chances are you won't have to make up as much of a deficit.
I raced my buddy three times. The first time I was in 2nd at 30mph and got RAPED on the start. By the time he shut down at around 120, I was pulling on him HARD but I was already beaten by a serious margin!!! The last two races I started in 1st and he initially jumped me by about two car legnths, but by the time I was at the end of second gear, I was passing him like nothing and by the time I shut down at about 130, he was a good 3 or 4 carlegnths back...
Try this strategy next time you play with them...I promise you will surprise the He11 out of them!!!
About two months ago I raced a close friend of mine who has a new Elise. Our race was exactly the same as yours 30 - about 120 or so...
I HIGHLY recommend starting in 1st gear as opposed to 2nd from this speed, especially if you have a four-speed gearbox like I do. Sure 1st will only last a second or two, but you will be on boost a lot sooner and chances are you won't have to make up as much of a deficit.
I raced my buddy three times. The first time I was in 2nd at 30mph and got RAPED on the start. By the time he shut down at around 120, I was pulling on him HARD but I was already beaten by a serious margin!!! The last two races I started in 1st and he initially jumped me by about two car legnths, but by the time I was at the end of second gear, I was passing him like nothing and by the time I shut down at about 130, he was a good 3 or 4 carlegnths back...
Try this strategy next time you play with them...I promise you will surprise the He11 out of them!!!
-dc
04-06-2006, 08:25 AM
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^^^ In the first race he beat me because I started in the wrong gear and it took forever for me to build boost.
In the two subsequent races he jumped me because @ thirty mph in first gear, I am not yet on boost and by the time I was on boost, he had a slight (roughly 2 car) jump on me which quickly evaporated.
No problems with my 930, and you are right, the 930 will handle an Elise all day long...the truth is that the Elise, when properly driven (from those low speeds), can squirt out on just about anything out there. I was soundly past him by 80 or 85mph.
In the two subsequent races he jumped me because @ thirty mph in first gear, I am not yet on boost and by the time I was on boost, he had a slight (roughly 2 car) jump on me which quickly evaporated.
No problems with my 930, and you are right, the 930 will handle an Elise all day long...the truth is that the Elise, when properly driven (from those low speeds), can squirt out on just about anything out there. I was soundly past him by 80 or 85mph.
04-06-2006, 10:44 AM
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Elise has a 0-60 of 4.9seconds..on other words pretty stinking quick for a 1.8L normally aspriated motor, and almost half a second faster than a bone stock 930...so I resepct them.
Its funny (and frustrating for us) how modern technology has made these new cars so damn quick!
Yasin
Its funny (and frustrating for us) how modern technology has made these new cars so damn quick!
Yasin
04-06-2006, 10:57 AM
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from a roll the evos and subys lose top end steam bad. from a stop they will most likly win. its just due to the AWD. specially the STi, they can launch real hard off the line because of the well built tranny.
04-06-2006, 12:52 PM
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from a roll the evos and subys lose top end steam bad
04-06-2006, 01:30 PM
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Chet, for some reason people buy those Mini's and then after a year or so get bored and sell them. I get the feeling they can't be that great. I notice they are very heavy.
04-07-2006, 05:53 PM
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My daily driver is a modestly modified STI. It is MUCH quicker (off the line) off the line than my 930. The 930 is stock and the top end between the two cars is similar. The sti handles and brakes 100x beter than the 930. I still love my 930 I just dont see cars through rose colored glases. Its a cool clasic car that responds well to mods. Money for money mod for mod ($ wise) the rally cars are faster than a 930. Lets be realistic guys 930's are 20 + years old. Technology has grown by leaps and bounds.
