Hi. I am a bit confused. What the difference between a 930 and 965. Is there a 1994 930? And, do these cars make good track cars? tx.

 

The 965 is the 1990 on 3.3 single turbo. The engine is about the same as the older one but it has the 964 chassis and suspension upgrades.

 

965 has bigger intercooler and turbo too. 320hp vs. 282hp I think.

Overall the 965 is a better car in every measure from a quantitative standpoint. About the only thing it might lack is the class 930 lines and black rubber contrast that screams 80s. Not quite as raw either. At least you can drive a 965 in the summer though with the windows up.

 

Technically speaking, the 965 was a factory project that never was finished. The factory never called the 91-92 or 94s 965s (just like the Cayenne is not a 955). However, it has become accepted to call a 91-92 or 94 a 965 or C2 Turbo or 964 Turbo.

 

I have a 91 turbo. I think the cleaner front and rear bumpers make the car look much better than the older 930's. I am not a fan of the older bumpers Basically you get a much more refined car with abs, air bags, coil over suspension, improved turbo, improved intercooler, better brakes the list goes on....

Eric Hood

 

...better aerodynamics, aero mirrors, Ac that works, a nicer interior (lower dash), much stiffer chassis...

 

The only set back IMO for the 964 turbo is that its much heavier than the 930. Otherwise it's a beautiful car.

 

If that's your interest, might as well buy a 996TT

Seriously, 964T is more refined, but a LOT heavier (300lbs plus) and less involving to drive (feels heavier, power steering removes feel, etc.). It's a fantastic car, but not as raw and visceral.

The engines, including fuel management, are basically the same.

964T would be a much better daily driver (though it still doesn't have cruise control, correct?), 930 is the classic turbo.

 

Here's a newbie question...

Which is quicker stock for stock? A 930 or a 91-92 965???? (I am not so new not to realize that the 3.6 '94 is faster!!!!)

 

Do you guys feel that either car would make a good track car. I was told that turbos on the track dont do well, because the boost is not reliable, specially on turn. Any thoughts, and if I buy a 965, could it be a good track car... or how to make it a good track car.

 

stock for stock it's close to a driver's race 2800lbs/282hp vs. 3100lbs/320hp. Very close, gearing is a little more favorable in the 964T except for the 89 930.

neither is really a "good" track car. They are very difficult to drive on the track, but very rewarding once you learn. They also are very powerful and relatively heavy. Produce a lot of heat, go through a lot of brake pads and tires, etc. Not an ideal track car, but still a lot of fun.

Driving a high HP 911 turbo on the track is hard because if you come out of the boost on a corner you get a LOT of relative change in engine braking/weight transfer that exacerbates the classic trailing throttle oversteer of a 911. You have to stay in the boost, but not too in the boost because you'll get throttle-induced oversteer. The edge of that knife is not very wide, but it's a lot of fun to dance upon it.

-dc

 

The newer 964 turbo's will be quicker on the track (lap times) despite being heavier due to better suspension system and more powerful. If you want better throttle response coming out of the corners replace the single turbo with two turbo's (one each side), new headers and intake plumbing would be required, its a big job. Maybe you would be better off with the 993TT (they are 4WD too).

At the end of the day they are all great cars. It's a tough decision unless your budget does not allow you too choose.

My "must have" was a 5 speed gearbox, all the pre'89 turbos are 4 speed unless they have been converted. Mine has, its an expensive job involving the later gearbox, having it shortened, having brackets welded to the car and getting a new pedal assy as the clutch is hydraulic.

 

I think the 930s biggest weakness is NO power steering. I know a lot of people like that visceral feel, but Jeezus, you can hardly manoeuvre the car when under 5mph and in your driveway you need paul bunyan arms. I have to take both hands and put all my weight into it to get the car turned in the driveway.

Maybe this is a sign of old age. Or that Im a wuss.

You decide.

 

C'mon! Work on that upper body strength. Get a 50-lb barbell weight, hold it out in front of you like a steering wheel and pretend to drive for as long as you can hold it. After a couple of weeks of this you'll be able to drive the 930 with no issue. (I actually know two IMSA drivers that do this exercise every morning pretending to drive Sebring's 12 hour circuit). I know, a bit extreme, maybe you should only use a ten-lb weight to start ;-)

 

What? the 965 is not a good track car? Come ride with me sometime and I'll change that opinion within the first minute.

The 964T is an excellent track car with tremendous handling, great road feel and very amenable to modifications that improve it that much more. There are a number of Rennlisters that run the 964T in Club Racing.

In terms of boost, a few modifications and a 5 speed help a lot with handling the car into and through corners. It is quite possible to be on boost at apex and accelerating out of the turn. As with all rear engine P-cars, judicious use of the throttle is the best way to keep the rear wheels from breaking loose. I realize my car has lots of modifications, but I find it very easy to drive on the track - it is well behaved and very neutral. I have to do something very wrong to spin it.

Nothing has been said of the brakes - the 930 and 964T both have outstanding brakes, with great feel and tremendous grip. It is one of those areas the Porsche turbo stands out from most other cars.