Changing boost spring
05-11-2004, 11:47 AM
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Changing boost spring
I've got a 84 930, completly stock, except aftermarket exhaust. Should I have any concerns going with a 1.0 bar boost spring. If it sounds like a good idea, how do I go about installing it? Thanks, Matt.
05-11-2004, 11:59 AM
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I would NOT go up to 1 bar w/o using a larger intercooler... You're asking for big problems.
Once the intercooler is upgraded, changing the spring is just a matter of taking the top cover off the wastegate housing. Inside is the spring in question. It can be a PITA, but once you've done one they are pretty easy to change.
Once the intercooler is upgraded, changing the spring is just a matter of taking the top cover off the wastegate housing. Inside is the spring in question. It can be a PITA, but once you've done one they are pretty easy to change.
05-11-2004, 12:20 PM
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Then you have to ask yourself if your fuel system is 100% and then you will possibly need some extra enrichment if turning up the mixture doesn't cut it. You should get a base line on a dyno to see where you stand before upgrading. Something people fail to check out and pay dearly later.
05-12-2004, 05:41 PM
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Take the 3-4% CO will a grain of salt, it doesn't mean **** if your fuel system isn't working right. Who cares if your fuel mixture is good at idle when your too lean up top. I know since I could have run a million % CO and would still be lean up top when I had a fuel problem a few years back. Yes, I'm in one of those moods right now.
To install the spring you just remove the WG and undo the screws that hold the top on but be carefull it will pop on you. Then just install the new one, you might need a clamp to help compress it.
To install the spring you just remove the WG and undo the screws that hold the top on but be carefull it will pop on you. Then just install the new one, you might need a clamp to help compress it.
05-12-2004, 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Wet1
I would NOT go up to 1 bar w/o using a larger intercooler... You're asking for big problems.
Once the intercooler is upgraded, changing the spring is just a matter of taking the top cover off the wastegate housing. Inside is the spring in question. It can be a PITA, but once you've done one they are pretty easy to change.
I would NOT go up to 1 bar w/o using a larger intercooler... You're asking for big problems.
Once the intercooler is upgraded, changing the spring is just a matter of taking the top cover off the wastegate housing. Inside is the spring in question. It can be a PITA, but once you've done one they are pretty easy to change.
It is more important for those living in the southern states then those of us in more temperate (or cold) states.
05-12-2004, 10:51 PM
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In NC he WILL NEED a larger IC... PERIOD!
The fact is the stock unit is marginal in cool weather, once the summer hits it's not practical to run 1 bar w/o detonation. It sure isn't worth the risk in my mind... unless he just want's to use the car in the winter.
The fact is the stock unit is marginal in cool weather, once the summer hits it's not practical to run 1 bar w/o detonation. It sure isn't worth the risk in my mind... unless he just want's to use the car in the winter.
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05-15-2004, 02:48 PM
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Hi Matt:
If I may add here,.....
Thes cars run too lean at 1 bar unless the FD and airflow meter is modified.
EGT's REALLY climb at 1 bar unless you get additional fuel into the engine, on-boost. The result is a far greater propensity for detonation that you likely not hear.
I cannot begin to tell you how many engines are disassembled and found with broken rings that ran at 1 bar, unmodified.
I would suggest that you retain the stock boost spring and look at other modifications for more power without compromising engine life.
If I may add here,.....
Thes cars run too lean at 1 bar unless the FD and airflow meter is modified.
EGT's REALLY climb at 1 bar unless you get additional fuel into the engine, on-boost. The result is a far greater propensity for detonation that you likely not hear.
I cannot begin to tell you how many engines are disassembled and found with broken rings that ran at 1 bar, unmodified.
I would suggest that you retain the stock boost spring and look at other modifications for more power without compromising engine life.
05-15-2004, 08:41 PM
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Hi John:
Every stock 930 (US or Euro) I've had on our dyno shows very lean AFR's on boost and the more boost they have, the leaner they get.....
IMHO, they all need more fuel as boost gets higher than stock.
Every stock 930 (US or Euro) I've had on our dyno shows very lean AFR's on boost and the more boost they have, the leaner they get.....
IMHO, they all need more fuel as boost gets higher than stock.
05-16-2004, 02:07 PM
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Exactly, if you want to run at 1 bar safely, without compimising engine life, you need a bigger intercooler and turn up the CO for extra fuel. Off course if you want to be sure, than put it on a dyno. Most of us who start modyfying take this route.
05-16-2004, 11:32 PM
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Absolutely. Never touched the fuel head. However it is a '79 so it moves a bit more fuel then later models of course.
It won't show the same dyno today, I put a stock wg spring back in and some castrating cones of silence in the muffler. Of course it would only take about an hour to get back to this
It won't show the same dyno today, I put a stock wg spring back in and some castrating cones of silence in the muffler. Of course it would only take about an hour to get back to this