Did this 959 offered in 2016 sell and does everyone consider it a 959?
#1
Did this 959 offered in 2016 sell and does everyone consider it a 959?
I was surprised to run across a 2016 announcement of a 959 for sale.
According to the Art & Revs dealership it is a pre-production prototype. Here's some of what has been written about it:
Only 337 units of the Porsche 959 were sold to the public.
Helmuth Bott, the head of development who worked on the Porsche 959, took 29 chassis of the Porsche 930 to turn them into the 959 pre-production prototypes. Three categories of prototypes have been produced: F, N, and V. The V-series prototypes are the latest. These were used by Porsche for everything from media coverage to crash tests.
Cue chassis number 10067. Internally referred to as V1KOM and registered as BB-PW481, this Porsche 959 was built in 1985, a year before the automaker started production of the Porsche 959. This example is one of four surviving prototypes and one of the two street-legal prototypes. As is often the case with pre-production mules, early design units are often destroyed or scrapped at the end of the development process for an all-new model.
#10067 was used for ABS and tire tests. After development concluded, #10067 was sold to Tachio Saito, a professor that happened to be a close friend of Ferry Porsche. Better known as the founder of the Porsche Owners’ Club of Japan, Saito took delivery of his prototype after 16 months of restoration performed by Porsche themselves.
After Saito, this particular Porsche 959 unit changed owners at least five times until now. Eventually, the prototype came up for sale again, at $1,450,000
My question is: Is it considered to be one of the 959s? Should it be worth more or less than a regular production model? I am guessing it doesn't have to be legalized due to the law that Bill Gates got passed (so he could get his 959 into the US)...
According to the Art & Revs dealership it is a pre-production prototype. Here's some of what has been written about it:
Only 337 units of the Porsche 959 were sold to the public.
Helmuth Bott, the head of development who worked on the Porsche 959, took 29 chassis of the Porsche 930 to turn them into the 959 pre-production prototypes. Three categories of prototypes have been produced: F, N, and V. The V-series prototypes are the latest. These were used by Porsche for everything from media coverage to crash tests.
Cue chassis number 10067. Internally referred to as V1KOM and registered as BB-PW481, this Porsche 959 was built in 1985, a year before the automaker started production of the Porsche 959. This example is one of four surviving prototypes and one of the two street-legal prototypes. As is often the case with pre-production mules, early design units are often destroyed or scrapped at the end of the development process for an all-new model.
#10067 was used for ABS and tire tests. After development concluded, #10067 was sold to Tachio Saito, a professor that happened to be a close friend of Ferry Porsche. Better known as the founder of the Porsche Owners’ Club of Japan, Saito took delivery of his prototype after 16 months of restoration performed by Porsche themselves.
After Saito, this particular Porsche 959 unit changed owners at least five times until now. Eventually, the prototype came up for sale again, at $1,450,000
My question is: Is it considered to be one of the 959s? Should it be worth more or less than a regular production model? I am guessing it doesn't have to be legalized due to the law that Bill Gates got passed (so he could get his 959 into the US)...
#4
In answer to Railmaster
I agree, that the 911 is unitized so the body is the chassis.
But if you read what I was quoting from the auction company
it was built before the 959 production cars so was born as something else, which is always the problem with prototypes, should they be included in the grand total of that model . For instance Ferrari made 36 250GTOs but actually made four prior to that, mules and development cars so do you include them or not? I think pulling the Kardex file on the car will be the answer, does it say 959 on it? There is probably a Registrar of 959s, maybe with their own website, so it would be interesting to see if these pre-production ones are accepted by them for their register.
But if you read what I was quoting from the auction company
it was built before the 959 production cars so was born as something else, which is always the problem with prototypes, should they be included in the grand total of that model . For instance Ferrari made 36 250GTOs but actually made four prior to that, mules and development cars so do you include them or not? I think pulling the Kardex file on the car will be the answer, does it say 959 on it? There is probably a Registrar of 959s, maybe with their own website, so it would be interesting to see if these pre-production ones are accepted by them for their register.
#5
Unless you are trying to find the fossilized fingerprints of Helmuth Bott or Peter Falk, then who cares? It is not a particular 959, other than the fact that it is one of the early 959s. How much did the prototype 901/ 911 that Jerry Seinfeld bought, go for at auction? Whatever the answer, really who cares? it's a 959.
#7
As a admittedly biased 2009 TT owner, my car has virtually the same performance as a 959. I realize the tour de force this car was and about rarity and value. Consider though you could buy about 20 997.1 turbos for the price of a 959, and the 997 looks better too.
Trending Topics
#8
Less than 300 exist, so less rare than a 250 GTO but more rare than a 944.
The F40 event at Silverstone doesn't make them any less rare (although the 959 is more rare than an F40)
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...at-silverstone
By that mentality no collector car would be worth more than any modern car. People paying seven figures for a vintage Ferrari are not going so with the assumption it could outrun an Enzo.
The F40 event at Silverstone doesn't make them any less rare (although the 959 is more rare than an F40)
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...at-silverstone
By that mentality no collector car would be worth more than any modern car. People paying seven figures for a vintage Ferrari are not going so with the assumption it could outrun an Enzo.