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Gentlemen and Ladies, suppose there was a 911 "outlaw" that started life as a mid-1960's 912 and then was updated with a 2.2 liter 911, weber carbed engine, excellent bodywork, paint, interior, fiberglass front and rear bumpers, long-hood, other validated appropriate modifications vs. a '87 911 Carrera Coupe, excellent condition, 107K miles, no modifications. In your opinion(s) what are the pluses and minuses of selling off the '87 to get the "Outlaw"? Thank you in advance for your input.
I think it's all what you want. I'm more of an "Outlaw" kind of a 911 guy. I don't wan't a bone stock car unless it's perfect. But then, I wouldn't drive it. LOL. If it's a quality Outlaw, I say go for it.
Wel... ahhh... what are the pros and cons of a no-fault divorce from your 45-year old wife who is a bank Vice President and part-time aerobics instructor to marry "Dakota", a 27 year old artist and part-time stripper?
Seriously, the 87 Carrara is a classic that will provide decades of reliable service and appreciate over time. However, depending on the quality of the work, you can buy the "Outlaw" for 20 cents on the dollar of build cost.
I'm big on stock if you want to retain value. An outlaw is too big of a category to really say anything. There are good outlaws and bad outlaws.
I loved my outlaw 911 when I was younger. Over the past 2 years I've put the sound deadner back in place and got rid of the big sway bars. I'm using the car a lot more now.
Drive the Outlaw and decide. The two cars won't feel anything at all close to each other, except both will feel 911. You may hate the old creaky car. It may feel too light and breakable. Or it might feel toassable and nimble. You might hate the noise and loss of highway confort... and AC. Drive them both on country roads back to back.
I would add it to the stable....not replace the '87. I know first hand the "need/want" to have a long-nose... If finances permit, do not get rid of the '87 and just buy that 912/911.
thanks to all, i love the input and find myself always going back to my dear '87 911, there is nothing like it in my opinion. i now and again find myself attracted to "the part time power yoga instructor named 'Madison"... but the truth lies in the one and only stock 911. i will post a picture of the '87... the outlaw was seen online at Dick Barbour Performance, beautiful cars.
That Barbour car has been picked apart on Pelican if you search. It would be fun but not built to a super high standard. But if it was the price would be $25k more.
I guess part of the question is if you like it enough to pay the delta between your 87 and it. Your 87 is not a $60k car. Though I couldn't stomach paying $60k for that plastic 912 conversion either.
^^^ Most cars are horrifying underneath. The 30+ years of oil and dirt just caked on is unacceptable to you and me, but to everyone else, that doesn't look, doesn't wrench, doesn't care, it seem to be OK. Every last nut and bolt I've touched on my car has gotten new plating or been replaced with a like bolt that has been replated. Most folk don't care. It's a shame. Even hi end cars are left to mire in their own filth.
^^^ Most cars are horrifying underneath. The 30+ years of oil and dirt just caked on is unacceptable to you and me, but to everyone else, that doesn't look, doesn't wrench, doesn't care, it seem to be OK. Every last nut and bolt I've touched on my car has gotten new plating or been replaced with a like bolt that has been replated. Most folk don't care. It's a shame. Even hi end cars are left to mire in their own filth.
I think that makes you unusual, not the other way around.
IMO, it seems like outlaws are making a comeback, or maybe its just more publicity on the internet, car shows, showing up and cars and coffees, car shows on TV, etc. The g50 thing is/has been smokin hot by even the newest Porche wanna bees converstion, but I am also hearing more from mechanics that the g50 is overrated and the engines in the 87-89s not as good either, but that s just their opinion.
Agree with other RL that the cost of the outlaw build, even if not a Singer or Walker-ish build, still required much money for parts alone, and you might get alot of car for the money.
50% of folks think 100k miles is high (or very high) even for a 911, the other 50% think its acceptable, so that's an issue with your 87 if you are at the least concerned about continued appreciation.
Good luck.
Also no air box and filter or hose clamps on the manifold boot. I was in the middle of something when I snapped the picture and as I said then, it isn't nearly as bright in person. Doesn't look like I've got the shims tight in the fan pulley either.
01-15-2016, 07:04 PM
Advice Please: 911 "Outlaw" vs. Stock 911
