Conza

Ok we all know this image, and I know the main itterations between 901 and 997 pretty well, (991 isn't in this image) but I can't believe this third car (no.3 starting at the back) is a 3.2 Carrera, which I'm guessing it should be / is?

In my eye I see (from the back forward)

901, G Series, X (almost 959ish?), 964, 993, 996, 996 Turbo (wha?) 997

I mean significant models not included would be the first Turbo, the SC, and afaict the 3.2 Carrera.

What do you guys make of it?

redridge

no image are showing... check link.

Conza

Oh sorry, I tried using the sites image tool, I'll just post the image link and try again.

Upon further inspection, it must be a 959, but I think that's weird because as much as the 991 that followed (964) used much of its technology, as did the 993, I never considered the 959 to be a 911.



http://hqdesktop.net/wallpapers/l/19...1080_43686.jpg

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Conza

Does everyone atleast agree with my evaluation on the other models?

I mean, if it were years they'd go

1964
1974
198X?
1993
1998
2002
2005

Making car 3 ambiguous is the worst because there's so many cars between the initial impact bumper G Series until the 964 of 1989, arguably the busiest time of the 911 was those 15 years.

Any other takers?

redridge

I think you missed one...

1964 SWB 911
1974 LWB 911
1986 959
1989 964
1994 993
1999 US 1998 ROW 996.1
2002 996.2
2005 997.1

Amber Gramps

Where is your SC - Carrera - 964 sequence?

The SC and the Carrera looked the same, but in late '89 the 964 came out with new bumpers while retaining the previous models sheet metal.

chuck911

I'm not sure what rule (if any) was used in choosing the models, but I'm with redridge on which ones they are. I was lucky and caught Bill Gates' 959 while it was at Barrier for a tune some years back. Several shapes on the 959, like the front fender, were ahead of the times but made a 'comeback' in later models. To me it makes it kind of a poor choice for an "evolution" poster, because the fender jumps ahead, switches back (964) then goes "back to the future" with the 993. Its funny though, I've seen that photo a hundred times and never noticed this until the OP pointed it out. Good catch.

Amber Gramps

Finally got the image to load in the link.

The 959 was an off-shoot similar to the slantnose or the Speedster. where are they in the picture? The 959 still used the tub of the day and was no more a part of the blood line than a cup car is today. Sure, the factory incorporates things they have learned into the production cars, but that's about it.

chuck911

No, no, noooo! The 959 was no offshoot. It was a test bed of innovation. You need to see one, walk around and get a good look. Lots of little details, from the mirrors to fender shapes to materials, were tried on the 959, then later incorporated into production models. Nothing like that ever came of the slope or Speedster. Those were mere variations. The 959 though, well just look at the poster. Its obvious from just the front fender that the 959 skipped ahead of the 964 and has almost the same shape as the 993. That's a whole generation of development! Same for the headlights. Then materials, carbon fiber, still very new back then and even today still advanced enough its not used on the 991 but on the more advanced 918.

The slope and the Speedster don't belong because they're mere variants. But the 959 doesn't belong either! It is the generation-skipping mutant in an otherwise unbroken chain of gradual development.

Conza

Yes sorry I did miss the 964 (one of my favourites too). But are you sure that no.3 is a 959?

That's 'sort of' my thinking as well (but chuck is right it is a seperate model in its own right), yet I can't find a car that looks closer to no.3 than a 959. Maybe the 959 is a special exception given it virtually laid the path to the Carrera 4?

It makes sense that it's either the SC or the 3.2 Carrera, but perhaps they skipped them in lieu of (as redridge puts it) a LWB '74?

Yeah right? Does that mean that the picture has a 959 but shouldn't, or simply doesn't have one?

redridge

def a 959... the side mirror is different than the aero mirrors of 964/993, its also taller too.



1974 did not come with side mirrors...

redridge

actually, the 959 should be on that poster because it encompasses all the technology on all of these cars... the engine is essentially the previous models, but with four wheel drive, coilovers, twin turbo..... and watercooled with so much more, suspension dampening, electric engage 4 wheels, psm, abs etc... the 959 is decades of advanced technology... thats why its an important car. It prob more like the 918 of today... the technology will be used decades from now, another important car.... it's evolution! so the poster makes sense.