View Poll Results: What type of tail
Turbo
19
16.81%
Carrera
33
29.20%
Duck
33
29.20%
none
28
24.78%
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Tails!
08-23-2011 | 08:44 AM
#16
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Drifting
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This is simply about what you have. Nothing to do w/ opinions or preferences. Although it was inevitable that people were going to voice there opinions. Remember, it's not a pissing match and to each his own.
08-23-2011 | 10:42 AM
#18
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I would contest that, a 911 benefits from negating lift in the mid-80'smph range by my not-so-scientific evaluation. I think a tailess 911's stability degrades starting about then. I started tailess, went to OE Carrera, and landed on duck. Either of the two tails offered up a big improvement.
The duck helped further with substantial weight savings.
The duck helped further with substantial weight savings.
08-23-2011 | 12:35 PM
#21
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In the early years of the 911...pre RS/RSR, The factory was reaching unbealivable speeds at LeMans in stock bodied coupes. ~180mph IIRC. That takes *****, but great effort was made to get the cars as low as possible.
08-23-2011 | 12:45 PM
#22
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Just to totally hijack this thread, I was watching an in-car lap of LeMans with Derek Bell in the 962(?) from the '80's. It is completely insane how long the Mulsanne Straight was before they chicaned it. I cannot imagine doing it without some downforce though that would slow the car a bit. 180 in my car? Yikes!
08-23-2011 | 01:11 PM
#23
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Just to totally hijack this thread, I was watching an in-car lap of LeMans with Derek Bell in the 962(?) from the '80's. It is completely insane how long the Mulsanne Straight was before they chicaned it. I cannot imagine doing it without some downforce though that would slow the car a bit. 180 in my car? Yikes!
08-23-2011 | 02:10 PM
#24
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With the Turbo it also provided the room necessary for the intercooler. The stock lid would not close over it. The lip being present on the rear and both sides of the spoiler `tray' collects more air to be drawn through the intercooler and engine compartment.
08-23-2011 | 02:48 PM
#25
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I would contest that, a 911 benefits from negating lift in the mid-80'smph range by my not-so-scientific evaluation. I think a tailess 911's stability degrades starting about then. I started tailess, went to OE Carrera, and landed on duck. Either of the two tails offered up a big improvement.
The duck helped further with substantial weight savings.
The duck helped further with substantial weight savings.
08-23-2011 | 03:04 PM
#26
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Very true. the early turbo without an intercooler had a dedicated tail often confused with a carrera tail and looks great on a wide body. The later turbo tail is a necessity in several capacities given their capabilities. Also, there are two different turbo tail "lips" that form the scoop; one deep, or taller, and the standard.
08-23-2011 | 03:27 PM
#27
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No, I had no chin unit either. The accepted wisdom is you can run chin only, but not tail only.
08-23-2011 | 07:42 PM
#28
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Kevin,
I wouldn't run w/o the tail and just the chin either, it's should be both or neither.
Ed,
Agreed w/ your statement and testament to the tail helping the downforce, is the same reason why even the new generation tails deploy at certain speeds.
My 09' deploys @ 50mph.
I wouldn't run w/o the tail and just the chin either, it's should be both or neither.
Ed,
Agreed w/ your statement and testament to the tail helping the downforce, is the same reason why even the new generation tails deploy at certain speeds.
My 09' deploys @ 50mph.