race911

Interesting couple of days at the track Thu/Fri. Even though I'm not pedaling a torsion bar 911, it's still an air cooled--the faux 993RS. Had the opportunity to run up against a couple of '10 GT3s, one a regular and the other an RS. Gives some perspective on how the last of the air cooleds (though extensively modified) hold up against the latest, greatest.

So I'll just link the videos in here below. If you want how the full chatter has developed, here are the discussions on the 993 board (so I don't have to retype everything):

https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...ferrerid=21505

https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...ferrerid=21505

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX8cv...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxWB4...layer_embedded

g-50cab

Awesome!

grant911

I love seeing the "generations" against each other on the track. Very cool!

ivangene

DOH !

so a couple comments:
amazing job, beautiful sound, great vid...

at 2:05 on the RS vid that thing really pulls!!!
perhaps if you swapped drivers (you in the RS and the RS guy in yours) the video would look very differant....what type of day was this, with the cones makes me think it was some sort of DE...but that's pretty "spirited" for DE days

thanks for sharing, I enjoyed them

race911

Was a private rental, a guy did a whole track day for his friends/family/associates on his 50th birthday. (Then he got food poisoning at the dinner the night before and couldn't even drive the race car he took delivery of the day before!)

So a few of us were hired guns to instruct the ~25 total beginners, and there was the "other" group that was basically open (but had a point by requirement) and consisted of friend of the Porsche shop he uses. We had our own instructor session, but I crashed the Porsche group for obvious reasons.

Pretty typical of the upper DE group around here, except for the point by requirement. It's probably been 7-8 years since I've run in a point by group (though as a rule we give them as a courtesy). Those laps were pretty much what I'd call enduro pace, and could replicate them for as long as I cared. IF the rear tires were in decent shape!

Caferacer

Some noob questions: I was struck by how apparently torquey the engine is and how infrequently you needed to change gears. Is this typical of the 993 (or other 911s)? Would you have kept it in a narrower rev range (more gear changes) had you been at race pace (as opposed to "enduro")? My takeaway from the vids is that smoothness and letting the engine pull through the rev range is key to going fast in these cars. Looking forward to learning at the track...

race911

Actually, this car is geared such that I'm shifting into 5th on the front straight. Only 911 I've owned that I've had to do that with at this track.

Say I got a chance to drive my old '73S........I'd shift in nearly the exact same places. And know what, too? My best lap times on a track that was a bit slower back then (less runoff in a couple of places), running inferior tires (Kumho V700), and not terribly modified (225's on 7" wheels, 22/30 T-Bars, off-the-shelf Konis, Weltmeister bars, Pagid race pads/good fluid, no aero, 2650 lbs. track ready, and 100lbs. compression in one cylinder) were 2 seconds off what you see with me chasing the white GT3.

So, yeah, you don't have to row the shifter. It's all about learning the car, learning the limits, balancing weight transfer. Not pretty sometimes with a torsion bar 911, but they get the job done if you're adept and have quick hands.

race911

And if anyone wasn't familiar with the car:

whalebird

Very nice. thanks for sharing Ken.
Lots of "take-home" value here. Your command of your car is very smooth and deleberate; nicely developed habits. For everyone chasing 6hp with MAF conversions and the such...go to the track.

flatsixnut

Thanks for sharring.