1982 Porsche 911 74 Carrera look
12-09-2010, 12:28 AM
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1982 Porsche 911 74 Carrera look
What do you think of this car?
http://www.euromastersclassiccars.co...lifornia-92708
5yr/50k warranty isn't really 100% covered, but it's a nice plus.
Jerome
http://www.euromastersclassiccars.co...lifornia-92708
5yr/50k warranty isn't really 100% covered, but it's a nice plus.
Jerome
12-09-2010, 08:12 AM
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I looked on there site and noticed this car, looks like they rebuild these cars from the ground up. Pretty cheap if they are truly doing this, my guess they are not. Or not to the level they say or they would lose money. I'd be interested but you need to fly out and look at this car. You would never get the money back though. Just know that upfront.
12-09-2010, 11:27 AM
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Very interesting...
Their site has some cars that are part way through the process and for the painting at least it appears they are doing a proper job (well, as far as one can tell in pictures that is). All the glass etc is out and the trunk and engine compartment are painted as well. I am curious to know the "real deal" in terms of exactly how much they do, and what kind of cars they start with, because those prices are pretty good once you have really learned what it costs to do stuff right on these cars.
It would be great to hear from people who have purchased from them. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they somehow, through careful planning and economies of scale, were able to make this business plan work and were putting out good, solid cars without corners cut?
Their site has some cars that are part way through the process and for the painting at least it appears they are doing a proper job (well, as far as one can tell in pictures that is). All the glass etc is out and the trunk and engine compartment are painted as well. I am curious to know the "real deal" in terms of exactly how much they do, and what kind of cars they start with, because those prices are pretty good once you have really learned what it costs to do stuff right on these cars.
It would be great to hear from people who have purchased from them. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they somehow, through careful planning and economies of scale, were able to make this business plan work and were putting out good, solid cars without corners cut?
12-09-2010, 12:54 PM
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So we pencil it out (remember, no spreadsheets for home/small business use back then), and figure that even with a bountiful supply of 2.4 T, E, even S models around from $3-8K, we'd be at $15+K so fast just on the car + conversion parts it wasn't funny. Then factor in labor, which at that time I valued at about $15/hr. Hey, ~$30K/yr. was decent enough for a 23 y.o. in the mid '80s.
Ultimately, a regular shop made more sense. Little downside, decent income, and much, much, much more attractive pool of owners needing her stock 924 or 944 repaired.
12-09-2010, 01:01 PM
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I noticed their ad in the Excellence magazine.
They have another listed at $35K
http://www.euromastersclassiccars.co...lifornia-92708
We are proud to announce a “Blast-to-the-Past” with our new line of fully restored 1973/74 Carrera replicas. We first carefully hand select 1978-1989 Porsches to closely imitate the classic`73/74 Carrera look. These cars are completely re-finished with new paint, interior, exterior trim, engine, transmission, clutch, suspension, color-keyed wheels, side stripping & enhanced exhaust system. Be the envy of your friends when you drive home in your newly re-manufactured Porsche Carrera. Available in Coupe or Targa with prices starting at just $34,900 including our EMCC Certified 5-Year/50,000 mile bumper-to-bumper Warranty.
John
They have another listed at $35K
http://www.euromastersclassiccars.co...lifornia-92708
We are proud to announce a “Blast-to-the-Past” with our new line of fully restored 1973/74 Carrera replicas. We first carefully hand select 1978-1989 Porsches to closely imitate the classic`73/74 Carrera look. These cars are completely re-finished with new paint, interior, exterior trim, engine, transmission, clutch, suspension, color-keyed wheels, side stripping & enhanced exhaust system. Be the envy of your friends when you drive home in your newly re-manufactured Porsche Carrera. Available in Coupe or Targa with prices starting at just $34,900 including our EMCC Certified 5-Year/50,000 mile bumper-to-bumper Warranty.
John
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12-09-2010, 01:23 PM
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Do the math. I did about 25 years ago when RS prices were starting to take off. ($25K for a '73 RS, are you _______ kidding????)
So we pencil it out (remember, no spreadsheets for home/small business use back then), and figure that even with a bountiful supply of 2.4 T, E, even S models around from $3-8K, we'd be at $15+K so fast just on the car + conversion parts it wasn't funny. Then factor in labor, which at that time I valued at about $15/hr. Hey, ~$30K/yr. was decent enough for a 23 y.o. in the mid '80s.
Ultimately, a regular shop made more sense. Little downside, decent income, and much, much, much more attractive pool of owners needing her stock 924 or 944 repaired.
So we pencil it out (remember, no spreadsheets for home/small business use back then), and figure that even with a bountiful supply of 2.4 T, E, even S models around from $3-8K, we'd be at $15+K so fast just on the car + conversion parts it wasn't funny. Then factor in labor, which at that time I valued at about $15/hr. Hey, ~$30K/yr. was decent enough for a 23 y.o. in the mid '80s.
Ultimately, a regular shop made more sense. Little downside, decent income, and much, much, much more attractive pool of owners needing her stock 924 or 944 repaired.
$25K for a '73 RS? I said no such thing. If you look at the link, the car is an '82 SC with a ducktail and Carrera decals - otherwise pure SC. So the question is: Can they find SC's in decent shape cheap enough to make it work? Most of their cars of this ilk are priced at $35K (I don't know why this one is only 25...). But still, assuming they somehow get a hold of a decent SC to restore for less than $10K, I still can't figure how they can do it, even at $35K with conventional work practices.
And again, that's just churning out a nice, well-sorted SC, nothing more.
12-09-2010, 01:28 PM
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12-09-2010, 05:35 PM
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74 Carrera's did not have the front black rubber spoiler. I would think you could pick up a clean SC and add the duck tail, side graphics and steering wheel for less money.
12-09-2010, 05:40 PM
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12-09-2010, 10:51 PM
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Running the autocheck on the 25k car, the chassis has 141k miles on it. http://my.autorevo.com/revo/AutoChec...AA0912CS121926
I wonder how it looked when they first got it.
Just a good paint job in CA will cost you $5000 to $8000. They must really streamline the whole conversion since they have so many in the works if you look at the site.
It's really just an SC with a duck tail and some decals. Don't know what the purists would say, but I like it.
I wonder how it looked when they first got it.
Just a good paint job in CA will cost you $5000 to $8000. They must really streamline the whole conversion since they have so many in the works if you look at the site.
It's really just an SC with a duck tail and some decals. Don't know what the purists would say, but I like it.
12-10-2010, 12:48 AM
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$25K for a '73 RS? I said no such thing. If you look at the link, the car is an '82 SC with a ducktail and Carrera decals - otherwise pure SC. So the question is: Can they find SC's in decent shape cheap enough to make it work? Most of their cars of this ilk are priced at $35K (I don't know why this one is only 25...). But still, assuming they somehow get a hold of a decent SC to restore for less than $10K, I still can't figure how they can do it, even at $35K with conventional work practices.
And again, that's just churning out a nice, well-sorted SC, nothing more.
And again, that's just churning out a nice, well-sorted SC, nothing more.
12-10-2010, 12:09 PM
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Guess it wasn't so clear after all. My parenthetical referred to that lofty price a '73RS climbed to in the mid '80s. A price we KNEW couldn't go higher. So I based my calculation figuring the RS market would sink back below $20K, and no way could you convert POS 2.4L cars and make any money.
Allan