rusnak

Yeah, you can sell me your engine, take mine as a core, then you can easily make that target.

Amber Gramps

Long before you go to 3.4l look at the rest of the car. Will it stop? Will it corner? will it protect you in a crash? Questions you gotta be comfortable with loooong before you ask will it go quicker?

IIRC Ed's ride is something like this:

911 - $10,000
suspension - $15,000
Motor - $25,000
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= $50,000 before he ever even fired up the 3.4l

Am I wrong? I didn't think so.

Ed Hughes

You should be OK with that budget. At 85K, that motor is just broken in, however.....

race911

That's not the car that got rolled into a ball at Sebring (?), and brought back from the dead, is it?

What, exactly, do you think a 3.4L engine will get you in a car that isn't otherwise fully developed, like Ed's? I'm down 100+HP to the 996/997 GT3/RS's with my yellow car (the faux 993RS), and that translates to maybe 4 car lengths down the front straight at Thunderhill.

Droops83

Well said. I wasn't bashing doctors in particular, mainly making a point about how much we actually get paid for at the end of the day. My dad is a doctor (anesthesiologist) and I am well aware of the malpractice insurance issue---it's insane! But at least he works for a big hospital. I must give you props for being a general physician. It is not the most lucrative of the medical professions in a field top-heavy with specialists. I know it must be hard to keep your own private practice open this day and age. Glad to hear you helped people out abroad as well.

BTW Joe6pack I posted a reply to your idle thread check it out.

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

Thats close,....

Tango635

First of all, this has got to be one of the most enjoyable threads I've read this year. A lot of great insight from a lot of great people.

Second, when I was doing research for buying my 911, I also wondered about the rebuild cost. I wrote an e-mail to Bruce Anderson, and he responded in the same price range, IIRC, 20-25k for a reputable shop to do the whole thing of course.

So considering what i have seen folks such as Jack Olsen (as he posted on 1st page) I believe the best bang for the buck is installing an engine from a latter 911.

Don't get me wrong, if I had the money to build anything I wanted I would build a monster engine myself. There is a lot of satisfaction and just a heck of a lot of fun in putting something like a flat 6 together. However, I have other financial priorities, namely 2 young kids and a retirement plan that I have to finance. So bang for the buck is usually my preferred route.

So, if I was forced into the position of spending 7-10k on a motor, I would be looking at buying a motor out of a 1995 993.

For 15-20k, I think you're into stock 993 turbo motor territory...or something like this:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...or-600-hp.html

Oh, one more thing on bang for the buck....that does not mean, at least to me, that you should install a chevy 350 into a 911. That is plain heresy. It drives me crazy when people do this. A porsche should have a porsche engine, a ford a ford, and a chevy a chevy.

whalebird

[QUOTE=race911;8097961]That's not the car that got rolled into a ball at Sebring (?), and brought back from the dead, is it?



Probably. After John Wood Racing(my team) dissolved, the car went to Kelly Moss and prepped for endurance racing (center locks, etc) and we watched it burn to a hulk in the infield of daytona shortly thereafter. From there, the car went to Champion and converted to "993" with all that other "stuff" and we lost touch with it. However, twice in the 92 season as a Bridgestone Supercar, the car was severly damaged-once in practice and then the Miami gran Prix where we qualified second on pole and then taken out by John Heinricy(sp) in a corvette on the second lap. We would have won that race I'm certain. Both events required us to strip the car to the tub and celette bench it back up. The work was done superbly with lots of help from PCNA. The car was a serious contender. Hurley, Dereck Bell, and Stuck jr. all drove the car in practices and were impressed. The Brumos cars we competed against in the same series were suposed to be the (same). Hurley always said that he wished he had our car to drive. Of course he did drive in Mosport(read the pano article)which was not a conflict with Brumos as it was not pcNA, but pc-Canada who sponsered us. Jeff Purner was a fabulous driver as well.

Anyway good times for a 20 year old (me)-a dream job for any Porsche guy.
Sorry for the thread hijack I would love to share my experience - maybe in private or another thread.

Amber Gramps

EDITED POST:

We are a tad off the OP question, but....

Let's compare two cars on the same mountain road. My stock '88 cab with 450 pounds of people in it is a pretty garage queen with a squishy ride quality and full interior, and Ed's '84 Targa when it was a freshly rebuilt 3.2, with a 175 pound Ed is a highly modified GT with most every detail attended to including roll bar, suspension, interior deletes, and the like. It's a no holds barred monster. . . .

Both motors virtually idential, the rest of the cars were wildly different and the drive couldn't have been different.

Ed took turns wide open, I had to slow down. Ed knew his car's limits were well beyond the needs of that drive. I knew one mistake and my skills alone would't do. Ed had 10 times the car I had with a fire extinguisher for safety and I had the little plastic gloves that come packed on top to the spare tire.

Open road I was on his ***, twisties and he vanish into the future. Not just a little, but on rails. Ask anyone, I can drive with the best, but motor should be last on you list.

My point is that until you own stock in ERP a motor is pointless.

http://www.elephantracing.com/ (until you are at street/track 1 the motor should be a )

the above site is pure Porsche ****.

When you have drooled all over your keyboard pick up the phone and order it all from Steve Weiner http://www.rennsportsystems.com/...

clutch-monkey

the engine has certainly put up with a lot thus far, considering the amount of motorsport i use it in i'm not quite so sanguine about future prospects though
i had a look through my receipts (i know, i know, just after you guys said not to ) and it looks like the entire engine conversion came to $14k AUD. hmm..

whiterabbit

My car is pretty good now and I have already spent a good bit. Some ERP suspension, M&K, lightening etc. I am really looking for more low down torque and figured a 3.4 or 3.5 was the way to go. I know its smarter to just sell and buy a 993 or put in a 3.6 but I really love the Carrera style.

The intent isn't to have a super fast car or to track but more to just get some more low down/midrangeoommph and keep the appearance of a sleeper.

I figured an extra 8k above the cost of a top end job was worth it for the bigger P&C's and the torque they will bring. The labour costs being mentioned here seem on the mark to me and so does a circa 50 hour estimate.

Also some questions to keep in the OP's spirit of costs:

Is it easy to sell old 3.2 P@C's in excellent condition.

Are alternative cheaper P@C's to Mahle a false economy.

Ed Hughes

That may be true if, and only if, you get a good used motor. Did I mention I know someone who did this, only to find out the 993 motor had issues...that $7-10K turned into $25K. Sure, guys drop newer motors in all the time, but this is not without risk. That is why I, and many others, spend the money to rebuild the original motor.

Where did you meet that "175lb Ed?" Did you fire up your flux capacitor and visit 1975? Ed, like Ruby's displacement, has grown. He was 225 back then, but is a svelte 210 now. (Cheap HP!)

You are correct, there are a lot of things one can do to a 911 before even thinking about motor. If one were to want a stoplight-stoplight demon, buy a Mustang 5.0-you can bolt on tons of cheap HP.

rusnak

I don't know how you guys can stay so light. I must be a chunkified lard-***.

Tango635

lardass = Gs, gravitational pull. That must be why you're on the constant run from earthy women and asteroids?

Just kidding


I wish we are all sitting around a campfire with a favorite beer. Of course, rusnak would be giving me a fist sandwich right about now.

rusnak

nah way! I'd be telling you about the earthy women who I'm runnin from.