New guy ready to learn (and 964 vs 3.2)
#76
yeah, I think of the 911 rear as a "further development" of the swingarm based upon lessons learned - maybe a swing too far.
the only way I can surprise (irritate) my friends w/ new Porsches is to dive in underneath (when they aren't paying attention, obviously), get sideways (driver-induced snapping) right in front of them, look through the side window & smile. thank God the new cars have great brakes & understeer so well.
the only way I can surprise (irritate) my friends w/ new Porsches is to dive in underneath (when they aren't paying attention, obviously), get sideways (driver-induced snapping) right in front of them, look through the side window & smile. thank God the new cars have great brakes & understeer so well.
#77
makmov, the Turbo's had shorter rear trailing arms to help with dive/squat and difficult to manage power delivery. I still think its a driver style thing. Hans Stuck Jr. told me once(in best accent) "I get more bugs on ze side window than the windshield...I go sideways around curve".
ked, the swingarm rear suspension (356, early VW) was a huge factor in TTO in the early cars. The AU p-wagons were so gracefully drifted in hillclimb form (twin tires). I think you're dead nuts on though with everything you said.
ked, the swingarm rear suspension (356, early VW) was a huge factor in TTO in the early cars. The AU p-wagons were so gracefully drifted in hillclimb form (twin tires). I think you're dead nuts on though with everything you said.
#78
That is how to drive on dirt.
The trailing arm was a huge advance over the swingarm. I've gotten into slides that could not be saved in the 356. The longer wheelbase 911s are much more stable, and late 80s 911s handle much better than late 70s, at least when comparing stock setups.
Porsche did not just slap wider tires on the car. They had a test drum that stayed in use until recently, when it was donated to a Stuttgart university, with Porsche retaining usage rights.
Porsche was very well of camber and toe changes, and the effects of roll, pitch, and wheel travel.
The trailing arm was a huge advance over the swingarm. I've gotten into slides that could not be saved in the 356. The longer wheelbase 911s are much more stable, and late 80s 911s handle much better than late 70s, at least when comparing stock setups.
Porsche did not just slap wider tires on the car. They had a test drum that stayed in use until recently, when it was donated to a Stuttgart university, with Porsche retaining usage rights.
Porsche was very well of camber and toe changes, and the effects of roll, pitch, and wheel travel.
#79
in the early days of 356 competition in Germany, TTO was called "wischening" - maybe wischen you'd get out alive. some wags call the 356/911 "the most under-designed, over-engineered car in history." thus it is with many visionaries who eventually attain success - constant refinement of a wild idea.
the 934's single turbo set-up was not easy on the suspension - or the driver.
I've noted some top drivers comments on newer 996s & 997s; "they need some adjustment to eliminate understeer."
the 934's single turbo set-up was not easy on the suspension - or the driver.
I've noted some top drivers comments on newer 996s & 997s; "they need some adjustment to eliminate understeer."
#80
The best method for a 911 is when in doubt - floor it.
I don't recall the drivers name, but remember his comment why he hated driving in the IROC.
to paraphrase his comment:
if you get into a corner too fast you have only one option. floor the gas and drive like a mad man.
#81
in the early days of 356 competition in Germany, TTO was called "wischening" - maybe wischen you'd get out alive. some wags call the 356/911 "the most under-designed, over-engineered car in history." thus it is with many visionaries who eventually attain success - constant refinement of a wild idea.
the 934's single turbo set-up was not easy on the suspension - or the driver.
I've noted some top drivers comments on newer 996s & 997s; "they need some adjustment to eliminate understeer."
the 934's single turbo set-up was not easy on the suspension - or the driver.
I've noted some top drivers comments on newer 996s & 997s; "they need some adjustment to eliminate understeer."
#82
I have owned my '85 911 for over 20 yrs. but before I got it I recall reading an article about the IROC series when they used 911s.
I don't recall the drivers name, but remember his comment why he hated driving in the IROC.
to paraphrase his comment:
if you get into a corner too fast you have only one option. floor the gas and drive like a mad man.
I don't recall the drivers name, but remember his comment why he hated driving in the IROC.
to paraphrase his comment:
if you get into a corner too fast you have only one option. floor the gas and drive like a mad man.
Sounds good to me, when in doubt floor it.
#84
They have always been a little underpowered and slow in the strights. They just killed everyone in the corners.
#85
I have owned my '85 911 for over 20 yrs. but before I got it I recall reading an article about the IROC series when they used 911s.
I don't recall the drivers name, but remember his comment why he hated driving in the IROC.
to paraphrase his comment:
if you get into a corner too fast you have only one option. floor the gas and drive like a mad man.
I don't recall the drivers name, but remember his comment why he hated driving in the IROC.
to paraphrase his comment:
if you get into a corner too fast you have only one option. floor the gas and drive like a mad man.
#86
"giant killers": Light, efficient, and flexible. Porsche could be consistent as much as anything else. I think that was a part of their stratagy, at least early on.
#87
Dayumm, 40% off at Advance Auto Parts(just saw the header at the top of the forum) I'm gonna kill em with my Ford trucks. I don't think you can use it for oil.
Sorry about the thread drift...this thread has had some TTO since the second page.
Sorry about the thread drift...this thread has had some TTO since the second page.
#88
They have a 911 overall victory at LeMans! Beating out two high classes of prototypes.
I think they had a similar win at Daytona.
#89
All I EVER see up ^ there is AAA auto insurance. I think the new interwebz adverts are need based or something.
#90