beer run.. anyone else???

 

There's no rivalry here. But, if somewhat irritating comments are made, responses can be expected.

The a/c was somewhat of an afterthought to serve the American market. It isn't unreliable per se, and can be upgraded several ways.

 

IIRC the Carrera was Porsche's first Factory attempt at AC. It just wasn't very well thought out or planned. It was at best an adaptation to an already exsiting car and system.

Previously AC was "port" installed or "dealer" installed and were even worse.

Yes, the system is too small for starters.

The rotary compressors seem to be okay. It's the piston types that were junk.

The controls were a little something special. Nothing labled, slide levers with cables, I don't rememeber when they started center vents.

It's missing some key parts of a modern AC system, like an expansion valve.

Even when working well it just didn't get to cool inside a SC or 3.2 with the AC running. Unless it was winter, then it was cold.

And it takes some addition work to convert to more readily found R134a.

You need a license in the States to do R12 charges and the gas is very expensive ~ $100-$130 for a 34 oz or what is in a 3.2 1000g? system.

 

agree on probably more that you'd think.

Nice. That is exactly what I imagine when I think of 911.

The 964 look was a little watered down for me, too, but it is growing on me. The up side was a little more respectable DCE for a sports car.

how brighter could it be than with Guards Red, though.

 

In my opinion, the big AC improvement that came with the 964 had to do with the condensor, and not things like the compressor or expansion valve (??). The Vario ram and stuff like that are way cool, and to me are better reasons than 4wd or AC to own a 964. On the other hand, why not just skip the 964 and get a 993? The 993 rear suspension was so much more advanced than the 964, and as already noted, the powertrain issues were resolved.

We can go on and on about AC systems. First, the 3.2 911 didn't use a "piston" compressor like the SC did. It is sort of a swashplate compressor with pistons....ah, ferget it, not important.
http://www.polarbearinc.com/Articles...Compressor.pdf
The rotary compressors don't make the AC any colder either. Improving the condensors, relocating them, and installing a Pro Cooler heat exchanger in place of the stock receiver dryer are all that is needed for cold 134a in a 3.2 911.

Anyhow....boring topic. I agree with whoever said that the early 911s are sublime. I am probably going to have to restore the 914-6 and get it on the road. Something to be said for 2 liters breathing through dual triple choke Webers, less than two feet behind your right ear.

 

I just shot myself in the face

 

I finally found it....lol!

 

LOL Russ !!

 

My 73 911 had factory AC...I never charged it. Converting any older 911 to 134 is as simple as evacuating and recharging the system with 134 - $30.
The 993 is an awesome car and is the only 911 that doesn't require valve adjustments. As rusnac said, multi link rear suspension and 6 speed trans are huge points. The 993 makes a 964 look like a, dare I say, a 3.2 Carrera.
If anyone is interested, I am representing a seller of a 90 C2 coupe, gaurds red, under 70K miles. garaged all its life, owned by PCA chapter president. $21.5K.
Meet me in Charleston SC and you can drive the car all you like with or without any intention of buying, at the same time, I can arrange a 993, several 911s of all vintages, and even a 924S.
My best advice is to determine your objective for a 911, and start driving all of them.
w00tporsche is the quintessential example of researching, driving(with ivangenes help) and methodical purchase of a 911 - he set the track record here on Rennlist for doing it the right way.

 

WB, I am truly moved by the above statement. Coming from someone as experienced and knowledgeable as you makes it that much more special for me. I still remember your comments on my first post after I bought the car "w00t, you are light years ahead of the average budget shopper and you will enjoy this car today and well into the future". Ed (ivangene), I once again like to openly appreciate your willingness to take precious time off on a weekend that nice spring day earlier this year and trusted me and gave the keys for your baby. What a great set of guys. If not for anything, this alone is a reason for me to hold onto my 3.2. For the OP here is one more picture of a 3.2. This happens to be mine BTW.

 

Gees Woot wash that thing already

 

All 911's bring something to the table. As far as the newest 911's. GT3, and RS are the best 911's to date.

 

3.2 = Expensive
964 = More Expensive

 

yes siree .. we keep getting these wann be' scoming to our board .. somebody shoul yell the guy he isn't driving a 911.. he just thinks he is .. but sory for the late reply ... i tend to ignore the troll threads .... but it was s low day today ..

 

been busy the past couple days and missed this thread. not sure I can add much, but.

I have owned my 85 twice, long story I will not try to relate here. after I had sold it and got back into financial shape to get another 'sports car', I looked around at several, including 964 and non-porsches. 993s were out of my budget range then.

I decided I wanted another Carrera 3.2 targa. my car is White Gold with dk brown full leather, beautiful combo and on the rare side. I am glad the guy who had bought my car got an 88 turbo coupe and was selling.

what brought me back to a Carrera is the visceral, tactile senstions of these cars. newer 911s are faster, but have lost the sensations of the torsion bar 911s.

ALL 911s, in fact ALL Porsches, are great cars.

if it will be a daily driver that involves long communtes, the creature comforts of the 964 and later 911s make them attractive. each person has to decide their personal prefernces. as my 911 morphed into a track car, got the 928 for that reason.

good luck in your quest and I hope whatever you decide you enjoy it.