GothingNC

Have you checked out how much insurance would be for a driver your age with a 930?

Back in 87 I was paying 200 month just for liability on a 69 AMC Javelin

John

mck911

951's are tough cars with stock boost or a properly built motor and higher boost. They run into trouble when people put a lot of boost on stock motors. S2's and 968's are tough cars, but not cheap when something does break. Even an E36 328is with a little suspension work would prove to be a lot of fun and bullet proof.... Have you considered a 911SC?

lparrotta

I know that all of us are not giving you the advice that you wanted to hear. But we’re all speaking from experience.

The 930 is probably one of the most difficult road cars to drive. Those of us that are parents have come to face the fact that almost every 17 year old will total at least one car before they turn 21. Even a poorly maintained Porsche should not have its life ended like that. Start small; destroy a GTI first.

Learn as much as you can about driving, maintaining, and owning and then get the car that you dream of.

rusnak

and then you can always Google "Porsche Girl Crash Photos" and ....no don't do that.

Amber Gramps

I have the original photos of that crash....that happened while I was looking for my car. It reminds me to keep it under 140 when the top's down.

Edgy01

I bought my first Porsche at 19. (914). I bought my first new 911S at age 22. These cars are not inexpensive to maintain, but worse, they are difficult to drive well. I would not want to read about you having an accident some day in a 930. it's just a bad formula--930 + 17 = bad news. Consider one in about 5 more years after you have some time behind the wheel of a rear engined car. The 930 can kill you quite easily. Insurance is a killer, too. In Europe, at age 22, I paid $5 a day to enjoy a Porsche 911S on the autobahns.

race911

I'll take this post at face value, and offer my perspective.

Next week will be the 30th anniversary of me owning at least one 911. I just turned 48; do the math. I found a '68 911 in the Classified Flea Market paper when I was helping my dad close up his brother's grocery store on the 4th of July in 1980. 3 days later I owned a 911. 3 months after that I had a broken engine. (2.0 wannabe "S" with '69S pistons shaved .040" for compression, then I discovered the timing was retarded significantly and ran it fully advanced. Oops.)

However, that broken engine experience put me in touch with the local PCA and guys like Anderson, Woods, and Pasha. A German refugee with his own Porsche shop too, who'd get liquored up in the afternoon and tell me stories about running tanks in Africa for Rommel. A successful rebuild led to a job with a shop that didn't specialize in Porsches, but was active in SCCA racing and got me broad based mechanical experience.

I never wrecked my 911; never really even damaged it mechanically again. Made it into an RSR/930/IROC wannabe. Took it to Arizona, where I went to finish college. Autocrossed and time trialed it for years. (I built a Scirocco to race SCCA, etc.) Made friends I still have to this day. One of the guys down there I lost touch with introduced me to some guy I think we know here named Zimmerman who owned this shop in Santa Monica and had ALL the answers when I'd get stuck at my own fledgling shop in Phoenix.

When it was time to move on, I ended up running a whole Porsche shop out of my parent's garage in Oakland while I went to law school. Got out of school with no debt, thanks to 911s.

And while I've given up professional wrenching, almost 20 years later I've never had to rely on anyone else to work on any of my cars. And that's included a lot of track time, both DE and wheel-to-wheel.

So, as you can probably tell, I'd never discourage a young guy from getting into a 911. Just understand WHY you want to. If it's just to look cool and think you have a fast car, probably not the best starting point. But if it's to understand a really great car, and something you might want to understand long term, then yeah, proceed.

HkPlinker

Buy a 996 and spend $ 3500 on chicks and booze, it has a better A/C than a 930 (trust me, I know). Inlist in the military and let us pay for your school. Get a degree in law and help bail out our kids and grandchildren from our current administration's rape and pillage on our country, but don't forget to blow the $ 3500 on the girls and booze, they will help you through our legal system.

ricster

I too back when I was your age wanted to get a 930/911 and had the money to buy new actually. I worked for a Porsche dealership as an apprentice mechanic and remember the only thing that stopped me from buying one was the insurance costs. Back then I was put in a high risk pool and was quoted 7k a year. So check that first. I waited until I was 25 when I bought mine. I still own it and never looked back. They are expensive to keep up though. If I did it again I might have waited a bit longer. I just recently got into motorcycles. Cheaper fun and more addicting. Check that out as a direction.

Woody

I would NOT do a search for "Porsche Girl Crash Phot" unless you have good virus and malware protection. It kept setting off alarms when I looked.

A long time back I sold a 71 Olds 442 W-30 (hopped up and in excellent shape) to a teenage girl who I knew to be a good driver with pretty good judgment. When winter came along I warned her not to drive it on slick roads because it would spin out too easily. Just letting off the gas on snow or ice would spin the car so I even offered her my old truck for the winter. (she is a relative).

Of course she said she was a good driver and could handle it. And she could..for a few weeks of winter driving. Then it spun off the road and landed in a ditch with a bent frame. Now that I am older I have come to the conclusion teenagers should not have a high performance car. Most of the time they will hurt themselves and or their friends.

Moffman, I know that you know this does not apply to you- But. Consider a car that is cheaper to own and operate; keep the Porsche plan for later. After you get a job and can support the hobby.

ofishbein

From a purely financial standpoint, any 930 you could get for $23K would probably need lots of work. I would budget about $10K on top of that to bring it up to decent condition - and that's before routine maintenance, insurance, etc. I'm afraid you are punching above your weight on this one.

If you must have a Porsche, go for an SC or 3.2 Carrera. As virtually everyone else has posted, at this stage in your life you should be looking at reliable transportation. A Honda or Toyota would be a smarter choice, if not as emotionally satisfying (especially as a daily driver in NJ).

DM993tt

I bought my first 930 when I was 25. It was the car I greamed of growing up. I had good fun with it, but the motor blew and put a connecting rod through the case. 14G later on top of the 26G I paid for the car I had a big beast of a motor and the car was a gnarly animal. 1 month after the new motor was put in the car was stolen out of a garage in manhattan. I knew it was an inside job but the car was never recovered. I took the $ from insurance and bought a really nice one in silver which I loved. I joined PCA and worked my way up to the highest run group in their drivers ed program and really had the thing dialed in. Then one cold January morning I was making a bagel run and it was about 16degrees out, when these things make a ton of boost with the cold dense air, so I was very careful on the gas. But the town in which I was headed was on top of a hill which received a light dusting of snow. Those factors coupled with ice cold rock hard tires got me loose around a bend and sent me off the road into a telephone pole. Which I broke with my drivers door. I should have been dead but managed to walk with a bruies on my thigh and pretty good whack on the side of my head.

So I bought the car back from insurance for 6G (believe it or not the car still ran and drove - in circles - in that condition) I sold parts off it for more than 14G, then also paid me 32G for its stated value, and I bought another 930 which I drove for another couple years, sold to a good home and moved onto my next dream car. (see avatar).

My advice is 23g will not get you a nice 930. You will get one that you need to put another 25g into and you will be poor for a long time getting it sorted. I would reccommend getting an early 80's 3.2 carrera wihich have bulletproof motors and are easy to maintain where a pretty nice example can be had in that range. They are great intros into the porsche community.

Tango635

Very Cool story Ken. I would liken this to a youngster that makes it into the NBA.... at least from my perspective. I too have worked on cars for many years, but did not get such nice opportunities, i.e. working with Woods, Anderson, and the like.

BTW I did a search on Porsche Girl. I remember hearing about the accident on my local news, but never knew about the "cult status" (if you can call it that) of the pictures. I guess there must been more to story of why people would try to provoke or taunt the parents with the pictures too?

Tango635

DM993, that was a beautiful 930.

ivangene

OK thats pretty disturbing !!