AGW911

Thanks for all the info. Much better informed now. What I am going to try to do, with this new information taken into consideration, is try for my budget and keep another 10K aside. If I need it, it's there. If not, I got lucky!! The search (now for two cars) continues. That is all my shop can hold, so I better stop there.

quinnfiske

I had a 1972 911T for many years and one of the things I did was rebuild the engine. I looked into building a 911S engine, but I backed off because there are some expensive changes you need to make. The "S" engine has bigger intake ports, throttle bodies and a different cam in the injection pump. The cams are wilder too and that is what people are talking about. Oh yea, the compression is 8.5 to 1 rather than 7.5 to 1 so you need cylinder barrels and pistons. The little spec book that Porsche publishes has all the gory details.

I would probably be harder, more expensive now, but you might be able to find all the stuff your need if you are a good scavenger.

AGW911

The good news, so far, is that I have found another 72 for sale. Sounds like it is complete with "minimal" rust. The only catch, because there has to be one, is that it has the original E engine out of it and has been replaced with an earlier 2.2, not sure about the tranny. It is advertised as a T, but the VIN says it's an E. Worth a look, at least it is complete. It is 6K and the other one is sub 5K, maybe both would have enough parts to reduce the amount that would have to be purchsed. Sorry, no pics, still waiting.

Ed Hughes

If there is evidence of rust showing, you can pretty much bet that is the tip of the iceberg.

AGW911

OK. Here is a link to the pics of the 72E, he advertised it as a T, but it is clearly an E.

http://www.porsche.9f.com/photo3.html

Can't tell from the photos, but looks like there might be some nasties in the trunk. It has been converted to single battery. Also can tell from looking at that tranny if it is the original 915 or not. Any guesses?

AGW911

Also looks like the rocker panel might be damaged on the passenger side. Not sure if it is just a shadow or not.

ked

that car is/was a '72 T (it actually sez so on the VIN plate). The E emblem & ducktail were adds. while the PCA sticker bodes well, the IMSPICY plate & seatcovers are scary... at least it doesn't have giant, blown-out speakers.
here's an active thread on Pelican that may foreshadow what you might be facing on almost any old 911 project...
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...st-bucket.html

AGW911

The VIN is 9112510877. Is that not an E in the box beside it? My eyes aren't that good and the monitor here is small.

AGW911

Actually, if this site is correct http://www.911specs.com/VIN70s911.htm it is a 71T?????? No external oill filler on the 71 was there? Something fishy here?

ked

the only thing fishy may be fear that it ever spent time near (or in) a body of water.
the E you see means something else, but that car should have come w/ carbs (that's what the 5 indicates). next to the 911 stamping (in the box to the left of the E) you can see a T... that is the model designator. 91125xxx means it is an E series T (confusing & ironic, eh?) built late '71 through mid '72... as a '72 model - thus the oil tank location & external filler cap.

I'm using Paternie's Red Book... not perfect, but nothing is.

AGW911

E series T, yikes, I have a lot to learn!!! If the mail here wasn't so slow I would have a pile of books to use as reference. Hopefully they will arrive soon!!

race911

The "2" means it's MY 1972. The "5" means it's a ROW "T". Right? (A "1" would be an MFI US market "T".)

That's a 915 in there, and one of the "goodies" that doesn't have a removable release bearing guide tube. So you have to disassemble the transmission to replace the main seal. Grrrr...... (But a money maker for a shop!)

ked

yes, Ken... & you're usually right.

I would buy more books & fewer cars.
A sensible plan would be to select that decent driver SC or Carrera (in person or close to it) & learn your way around 911s doing the std maint, repairs & adjustments to be expected. You will have plenty of labor-rich experience & insights to take to your search for a long-nose. You may even change your plan & w/ only 1 running 911 in hand you will have more flexibility - it might even be worth something if you decide to sell it in order to step up into a not-so-bad T or E.
If you overdo it right away, you may not be able to overdo it later.

Once, years ago, I went from 1 911 & 2 356s to 3 911s & 2 356s in a matter of weeks... both extra 911s were Ts... the nice '72 I sold to my brother (who introduced me to Porsches in '69) & the bad '71 I sold to a well-known 911 expert... who (evidently confirming how bad it REALLY was) fairly quickly sold it to a guy who wanted to do a resto project w/ his son. Amazingly, most of us remain on speaking terms.

(& Happy St Patrick's Day to All! watch out for the amateurs)

AGW911

So are there any opinions from the photos? I know it is hard to tell what might be hiding in there, but any positives? The seat covers and license plate are scary enough!!!

AGW911

I think I am going to go look at both cars when I am home. This one is 6K firm, the other is 5K but negotiable. The 5K car has the proper engine for the one that has the 2.2 in it, so that would solve that problem. With any luck, what one needs the other will have and it might work out fairly well. Rust will be the big deciding factor. I can weld, but don't really want to have to do too much of it. I might be too optimistic, but I think there might be enough to do one good one and have lots of parts left over for a future project. Going to get my dad to go look at the 6K car and see what he thinks. Less than three weeks now until I am home on leave for two weeks!!! Already warned the wife that we may have to go look at a few cars.

Both are ROW cars and the T engine in the one has the Zenith carbs on it. Are they worth keeping for "originality" or would anyone recommend updrading to MFI or upgraded carbs?

Appreciate all of the advice/warnings. Keep it coming. I will update when I have more info on either car.