AGW911

I have been looking at a car that is listed as a 77 Carrera 3.0 Euro. Although I was going to wait until I get home, the price on this one is very good and I may jump on it. But with the latest information I have gathered, the price may now make sense. It does need work, but I don't mind that part. Engine is rebuilt (still have to verify the quality of the job), SSIs, new clutch and only a little bit of rust on the doors. For a Sub 7K price, it might be worth the work.

It has a 78 VIN 91183002XX (if it's ok to post the whole VIN I will add the last two numbers. The engine number is 6670271. Not sure if these two numbers should match. The owner has it left by a customer a few years ago and the customer decided to sell the car.

I was originally excited at the prospect of finding a nice Euro Carrera 3.0, but I am not so sure that is what this in now. Hopefully the resident Carrera 3.0 experts will have a numbers reference for this one.

Even if it is a 78 Eura SC with an original Carrera 3.0 engine it might be something to look at.

KILRWAIL

I'm no expert, although my car does have a Carrera 3.0 badge. It was reconfigured by a PO from a 77 911S. The engine serial number you've quoted tells me it's a 1977 case (third digit), and may be 2.7 L, while the VIN is a 1978 (fourth digit). The Carrera 3.0 was made from August 1975 to July 1977 and was only available in Europe, to the best of my knowledge. Here's a great web site with more facts http://www.911carrera3.co.uk/index.php

Bill Verburg

The engine is correct for a '77 Carrera 3.0, it should have a 930 casting # on the al case and 5 blade 245mm fan

the chassis is correct for a '78 SC, you can check shock absorbers-C3 came w/ Bilstein/SC w/ boge(though Bilstein was an option), C3 would have a 3 spoke steering wheel/SC 4 spoke,window molding C3-black/SC-chrome(but black was an option)


auto heat & headlight washers were std on C3

Peter Zimmermann

VIN:
911 = car type
8 = 1978
3 = 911 RoW/Japan
0 = coupe
xxxx = build number

ENGINE:
6 = 6 cyl
6 = Carrera 3.0 (200 hp)
7 = 1977
0271 = build number

With Porsche anything is possible, but I've never heard about this one! The engine & VIN will not match (except by accident), and that's fine.

ked

that VIN sequence corresponds to a ROW (non US) MY '78 SC, built in Fall '77. Not certain about the engine... if it's a real Euro 3.0 Carrera, it is a type 930/03, K-Jetronic w/ 180hp. If it had a cat, it is a 930/04 for US 49 state & CN. If it also had EGR, it is 930/06, US CA. Expert PPI by someone who can determine these (& perhaps other) critical distinctions is key.

"... only a little bit of rust on the doors."
really, ONLY on the doors? more expert (old 911 chassis guy) PPI is screamed for.

"It does need work, but I don't mind that part."
I assure you that you'll mind the part that you coulda/shoulda fully understood BEFORE stroking a check.

AGW911

Are chassis and VIN numbers the same (your book is on the way!!!! Otherwise I wouldn't have to ask the question.). The guy told me there is no VIN in the window, is this typical of Euro cars from that year? The number he gave me as the VIN is actually a chassis number I think.

Thanks.

AGW911

OK. Started another post hoping to catch someone in KC to look at the car. I find the Carrera 3.0 very interesting and would like to have it if it is in fact an original Carrera 3.0 engine, even if it is transplanted into a 78SC body. For $6500 it seems like a good deal to me, maybe I'm crazy!!

Peter Zimmermann

Thank you, but please don't expect info on the 3.0 Carrera, my book concentrates on models intended for original sale in the USA. At the last writing there was little interest, and even less information that I could judge as accurate, about the 3.0 Carrera. Sorry, but I think that the information the book does have will make you a well-informed 911 person.

AGW911

Thanks Peter. No doubt it will be a good investment. I plan to read it cover to cover, a few times!! A Carrera 3.0 isn't necessarily what I am looking for, I just find this one interesting and will buy it if it is worth the money. I just have to find someone to check it out for me. I want to buy something that needs work since I don't get back until the fall and it is going to sit in the garage for the winter anyway. I feel that by working on some minor issues I am going to learn lots more about the car and will not be afraid to fix my own problems when they occur.

dshepp806

wait it out..

Doyle

Jay Gratton

Sounds a little off to me. I would look into it more.

AGW911

Oh ya, that patience thing hehehe. I think I have way too much time to obsess about it over here, not helping in the restraint department at all.

ked

the examining, driving & negotiating process is most fun in person. you are likely going to make better decisions based upon direct participation, esp the ones you DON'T complete, & there will be less "I shoulda / coulda..." until you've gained more insight to the many types of 911 motors, you may not want to fall in love w/ just one. you can build just about any spec (from zippy 2.2 to torque-monster 3.8) you like these days & plug it into almost any 911 chassis (just takes $$$). there have always been 911s of all stripes (& prices) on the the market, & there always will be.

edgarcia737

I have a Carrera 3.0 and my VIN is 9117600xxx. Engine s/n 6660xxx/type 930/02

911 = car type
7 = 1977
6 = Carrera
xxxx = build number

ENGINE:
6 = 6 cyl
6 = Carrera 3.0 (200 hp)
6 = 1976
xxxx = build number

I'd do some more investigating.

Ed Garcia
1977 Carrera 3.0

AGW911

Well, the guy sold the engine to someone else. The search continues.......