U.S. uses 21 million barrels of oil a day, produces 7 million
06-21-2008, 06:22 PM
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BINGO !!!!!!! And congratulations for "getting it". I was party to a discussion 30 years ago when my Dad still worked for a major oil co. The guys were higher up types and my Dad wanted me to meet these men. In the ramble of oil patch stuff, the middle east oil came up. I asked,pointly, why were putting up with the problems of importing oil when we had oil here. The answer was----- "WE WANT TO USE UP THEIRS FIRST".
and that dear children, is how the cow ate the cabbage.
BINGO !!!!!!! And congratulations for "getting it". I was party to a discussion 30 years ago when my Dad still worked for a major oil co. The guys were higher up types and my Dad wanted me to meet these men. In the ramble of oil patch stuff, the middle east oil came up. I asked,pointly, why were putting up with the problems of importing oil when we had oil here. The answer was----- "WE WANT TO USE UP THEIRS FIRST".
and that dear children, is how the cow ate the cabbage.
Moreover, our dependency on foreign oil is < 1/3 IIRC, compared to some in europe or asia where they are in the real sense "dependent" ...last I recall Japan was >60%. Add to this, our dependency on mideast oil is ~11% ...this is hardly "crippling" our country.
No conspiracy theory or black helicopters. It's about politics constraining capability. What we have in this generation is rhetoric for "solutions" and no political will or testicular fortitude to DO what we need to do ...safely, responsibly, and dare I say profitably.
BTW, Saudis subsidize their fuel costs for their popl., as do other "command-type" economies. Not an apple to apple comparison.
Edward
06-22-2008, 12:35 AM
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I think everything you say here is true. You left out increase in the water supply (new dams), and building new elec generating plants. Not to mention the criminal depletion of the underground water supplies. However, the green was lit up by the Santa Barbra offshore well blow out and the Valdez 1989,( just now getting to the US Supreme court). Nuke had a bad day here and in the USSR. Nevermind that tech advances make all of the above unlikely to replay.
However, as the industries of various types have been restrained and some have left say- California for more realistic ground, oil and coal have also been left alone because of enviro pressure. But, notice the oil industry has not been super agressive in expanding the US resources or refining. Green has an agend, oil has a similar agenda. Both for different reasons, but the end results meets both needs-- no drilling, no new refining on US soil. Two types of control, one for political control, one for the control of the supply of gasoline and oil. Tidy package.
Let me say that the 911 owner is a little brighter brand of bunny. Lets pay attention, listen and read. The time may come when Rennlist, PCA or POA may have to become more than just a band of car guys. The brighter people can inpact the system, and it needs to be impacted. If we can help each other fix these rather complex devices we love, yack with positive feeds of information and fun, maybe we can be watchful in having fuel to race and drive for enjoyment--- as well as needed transportation.
I think everything you say here is true. You left out increase in the water supply (new dams), and building new elec generating plants. Not to mention the criminal depletion of the underground water supplies. However, the green was lit up by the Santa Barbra offshore well blow out and the Valdez 1989,( just now getting to the US Supreme court). Nuke had a bad day here and in the USSR. Nevermind that tech advances make all of the above unlikely to replay.
However, as the industries of various types have been restrained and some have left say- California for more realistic ground, oil and coal have also been left alone because of enviro pressure. But, notice the oil industry has not been super agressive in expanding the US resources or refining. Green has an agend, oil has a similar agenda. Both for different reasons, but the end results meets both needs-- no drilling, no new refining on US soil. Two types of control, one for political control, one for the control of the supply of gasoline and oil. Tidy package.
Let me say that the 911 owner is a little brighter brand of bunny. Lets pay attention, listen and read. The time may come when Rennlist, PCA or POA may have to become more than just a band of car guys. The brighter people can inpact the system, and it needs to be impacted. If we can help each other fix these rather complex devices we love, yack with positive feeds of information and fun, maybe we can be watchful in having fuel to race and drive for enjoyment--- as well as needed transportation.
