carpediem

Hello fellow Porsche enthusiast's,

I'm looking to buy a well take care of 1991 to 1994, low to mid mileage C2 or C4 coupe.

I've cruised the typical places, but haven't found the one I'm looking for.

Ideally in silver, amazon green or midnight blue, but would consider most any other color except red.

I'm in So. Cal...so closer to the west coast would be more ideal, but anywhere in the U.S. would be fine.

Does anyone have or know of a one for sale? If so, please send me a PM with the info.

Thanks,

Stu

Oshin11

Thats like saying "I want to buy one of the worst Porsches the Germans ever made". Bump up to a 993 or down to a G50 911, you'll be glad you did. 1990-1994 were not the best of years for these cars, but I am sure if you go to the 964 forum they'll say otherwise. As long as you're in California, buy one that is California born and raised, they are the best Porsches out there. I know people in Germany that would kill for my California 911. The are the ones in the best shape (generally speaking) since the weather and climate is so nice here. Everyone else from other states and countries try to come to So-Cal just to find a good Porsche, I suggest you do the same. Good luck on your search and welcome to Rennlist!

carpediem

Thanks for your input, but I'm still interested in a 964. I'm trying my best to stay away from GU (geographically undesirable) cars...not to mention other fun things. Still searching.....

theiceman

oh no Oshin ! I hope you didn't just start a war ...

DAVISRILEY

Well, as an owner of one of the "worst Porsches the germans ever made", and a prior owner of a 84, I guess we can all agree to disagree. As long as the car has a good service history, and the ppi comes up clean, I don't think that there are a lot of places to avoid. The northern cars can have some more corrosion on the undercarriage, but southern cars tend to have have more interior wear(sun damage) Good luck.

JABSEA

You didn't mention how long you have been looking. I looked for months via local newspapers online and Craigslist ads for a variety of cities on the west coast. Perseverance...

Jay H

Oshin, based on your comments above, I assume you've never driven a 964 or owned one. Maybe you have, but had a bad one or didn't like the ones you've driven.

Here are some facts for those reading along at home to help decide whether they want a 964 or not.

The 1993 and 1994 964's are probably THE most bullet proof 911 of the modern 911's. There were no major flaws on these cars from the factory. Updated motors, LUK flywheels, etc. etc. I never cared for the heavy front bumper on the 964 initially, but have grown to love this particular design. Looks are subjective, so let's leave that out of this discussion. The 964's won't ever suffer from the CEL issue that 1996 and later 993's seem to suffer from depending on their use.

964's are still part of the hand built, old school 911's. They cost a lot when new and are built exceptionally well with high tolerances and first rate materials. Build quality of 964's is on par with the older cars (if not better) and are screwed together just as good as 993s.

Yes, ealy 964's (1989 to 1991) can have cylinder to head leaks, but many of these cars did not leak, will not ever leak or have long ago been updated. However, you still do have to check for these leaks when buying an early 964.

The Freudenberg dual mass flywheel was not a robust unit, but how many of these Freudenbergs do you expect are still in service after 13-17 years have past now? Many of these early cars with Freudenberg DMF's initially install have been changed over to the better LUK unit.

The distributor vent kit is a non issue. I think I remember our own Adrian stating that any dual distributor belt car (which includes the beloved 993) needs the belt changed somewhere in the 5-10 year / 50,000 mile range as preventative maintenance. The vent kit that is missing on early 964s is $15 and it takes a half hour to put it in.

The 3.6 liter motors in the 964 and 993 pull like a train and they are tangibly quicker than the 3.2 cars. There is little difference in ultimate performance between a 993 and a 964. However, the 964 and newer cars are more isolated and are less raw than the outgoing 3.2 liter (and earlier) cars. That can be bad or good depending on what you want out of a 911.

I'm not bashin' Oshin. I'm just providing some counterpoint to Oshin's statement above in defense of the 964. They are fantastic 911's and shouldn't be discounted.

I'll agree that California has perfect weather, but there are also cars that were born and raised in other parts of the world that are perfect. I've got a 1990 964 that was delivered in North Carolina and now resides in the snow belt. It's near perfect and has never been in California. Don't limit yourself to just one geographical location...

Carpediem, good luck with your search.

Jay
My "Worst Porsche the German's Ever Built"

Chris M.

This is hilarious! I didn't know there were any Porsches "born" in California.
Carpediem, as the former owner of an absolutely bullet-proof 964 I'm glad to hear you aren't being deterred by these statements. Do your homework, ask lots of questions, don't be in a hurry, and you'll find yourself a great car.

carpediem

Thanks so much for all your guys input and support. I'm the previous owner of a recently stolen 1987 3.2L After having spent plenty of cash in upgrades, oil leak fixes, etc. over the years, I finally had a fantastic car that performed great and I expected to keep for a long time. Unfortunately, there was another person out there who also greatly appreciated my 911. I've been looking for a couple of months (papers, internet, locally and nationally.) I like the look of the older style 911's and have driven quite a few. I agree with Jay H, if you can find a good/great example of a well maintained 964, they are fantastic cars. I also like that they have some of the newer safety features (airbags/anti-lock brakes). I certainly didn't want to start a war between fellow enthusiasts. Just looking for a little assistance to find
my next 911....and this time....with a hidden kill switch and a LoJack inside!

Jay H

I really hate to bash anyone's car, but this might not be a very desireable model...

'76 Sporto...

ste993

Personally I prefer the 993 but the 964 is still a great looking and performing 911.

Oshin11

I still think 964 are pieces of crap, and yes I have driven some. When I asked a very reliable source as to what cars should be kept afar, I was told 964 and 996. Obviously I was giving my opinion and knew people would disagree, but I think 3.2 carreras and 993's are way better

theiceman

opinions are just that .... but I like to think we are all respectfull of each others cars.. would you walk up to a guy at a party Oshin and say you think the guys car you just saw him roll up in is a piece of crap ? or would you say , hey I own a Porsche too .. glad to meet you ... i think you are welcome to your opinion but your aproach is somewhat rude and not in the spirit of Rennlist ...

Slantnose!

Agreed.

Jeff Curtis

Classic online brevity.

FWIW, I don't think my 964 is a piece of crap, nor do I think your '87 911 is a piece of crap...I've enjoyed the hell out of mine so far.