Excellence/ rennlist - ponderings
04-06-2007, 07:37 PM
#46
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Hey I agree .. internet "lore" can be dangerous .. but with guys like Pete and Steve around, I feel pretty comfortable.
Did the Excellence guys echo what we have discussed here or did you get a new outlook ?
just wonderin'
ice
PS what took you so long
I expected this post about 10 seconds after i posted !!
Did the Excellence guys echo what we have discussed here or did you get a new outlook ?
just wonderin'
ice
PS what took you so long
I expected this post about 10 seconds after i posted !!
04-07-2007, 10:16 PM
#47
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by Peter Zimmermann
Brad: You have one of the cool 928s! I sure wouldn't want a USA '85 32-valve, if the timing belt breaks on one of those you have to take the engine out of the car to get the heads off (Porsche switched to head bolts, from studs, in '86). Your car doesn't have an interference engine, so it doesn't even matter if the T-belt breaks. I would love to have an original, low mileage '84, now that would be a find.
Pete
Pete
Now, while on the subject of interference motors....I just pulled my 3.2L out of the 911. Going from 3rd to 2nd at the track and revving to 8K (give or take) creates an interference motor out of a stock 3.2L. I'm going to rebuild and include ARP rod bolts and EBS racing valve springs and a Rennshift setup to hopefully avoid this in the future.
04-07-2007, 10:24 PM
#48
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by Loaded
Yup I had the S4 and drove constantly waiting for the big Kaboom Even when the tb/wp was less then a year old it still kaboomed because of a rebuilt 928 intl. wp
The older 928 had it better but less HP.
SOrry But I will always think the 928 was cursed with old age problems..........but lets leave that arguement for some other time. I dont Need Ed hughes or anybody else bashing me and my opinions on the 928.........Proof is in the pudding and the 928 is no longer yet the 911 still thrives..........
PS
I love 928's period they are the sexiest vehicle ever made. Who ever designed the 928s body musta had one hella sexy woman as a girl friend
The older 928 had it better but less HP.
SOrry But I will always think the 928 was cursed with old age problems..........but lets leave that arguement for some other time. I dont Need Ed hughes or anybody else bashing me and my opinions on the 928.........Proof is in the pudding and the 928 is no longer yet the 911 still thrives..........
PS
I love 928's period they are the sexiest vehicle ever made. Who ever designed the 928s body musta had one hella sexy woman as a girl friend
BTW, the 928 is coming back, so we'll see how it goes. I think there were a number of factors that killed it before, not the least of which was Porsche's financial health and the world economic conditions at the time.
The 911 has been with us for over 40 years, but we know it has seen drastic change thru it's life.
Me, I'm tickled to death to have one of each. But, guess which one is the maintenance nightmare right now? An "economical" rebuild at $4300....if I need pistons and cylinders, or decide to get a little crazier, it gets closer to $9000.
04-07-2007, 10:58 PM
#49
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Hey Ed come on play nice ... does as you preach
This is not maintanance .. you missed a shift ..
But seriously, this could be a good oportunity for some upgrades no ?
This is not maintanance .. you missed a shift ..
But seriously, this could be a good oportunity for some upgrades no ?
04-07-2007, 11:48 PM
#50
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by theiceman
Hey Ed come on play nice ... does as you preach
This is not maintanance .. you missed a shift ..
But seriously, this could be a good oportunity for some upgrades no ?
This is not maintanance .. you missed a shift ..
But seriously, this could be a good oportunity for some upgrades no ?
I'm playing nice here, the point I'm trying to make is that all of these cars can have weak points, and they can all be expensive when the worst occurs. There are at least 5 or 5 PCA club racers locally that have done the same thing in the last few months in 911's. It's been a semi epidemic in N. Texas lately. Do a search on bent valves, and it's mind boggling how many people have BTDT.
04-08-2007, 12:52 AM
#51
Addict
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
More pics of your exhaust too Ed. We could really educate some of the fellas here with pics of a Muffler/
BTW I know Ed Your a good guy and damn the 928 thing We love porsches.
BTW I know Ed Your a good guy and damn the 928 thing We love porsches.
04-08-2007, 12:07 PM
#53
I was having a conversation with my father (mechanic with decades of exp on Porsches) and we were talking about the new Audi's and VW's. He commented that they were such a pain in the *** to work on, so many gizmo's and 'stupid stuff'. He thought they were just unbearable to work on.
I stared at the phone and said "Dad, do you realize you said the same thing about 928's 20 years ago?" He laughed and said, "you are right, finally the rest of the world caught up to what Porsche did back in the late '70's and 80's on the 928" They were so new and 'complicated back then, the rep has stayed with them.
Why am I sharing this? I dunno.
I puchased my S4 for the challenge of working on it. I have a thing for high maint 19 year olds and love almost every minute of it.
I stared at the phone and said "Dad, do you realize you said the same thing about 928's 20 years ago?" He laughed and said, "you are right, finally the rest of the world caught up to what Porsche did back in the late '70's and 80's on the 928" They were so new and 'complicated back then, the rep has stayed with them.
Why am I sharing this? I dunno.
I puchased my S4 for the challenge of working on it. I have a thing for high maint 19 year olds and love almost every minute of it.
04-08-2007, 11:22 PM
#55
Canadian Yankee
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: At the Porsche Garage
Posts: 1,975
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Droops83
Haha, we have an '85 928 in the shop right now! It needed a T-belt, major service, and the intake manifold gaskets were leaking . . . . so of course that means taking off the intake and every !#@$%# brittle hose and wire and piece of plastic breaking, and waiting for a month for the replacement parts to come from Germany, since the '85 USA car was a 1-year-only car (as if more "common" 928s weren't already hard enough to get parts for!!!)! Oh yeah and the guy wanted the valve covers and the intake powdercoated, the valve covers are enough of a bitch to get on and off themselves, let alone the heads!
Pete, I appreciate your insight on the 944s when they were brand new and how they came to be the way they are (we generally do the water pump every time we do a timing belt!). They came out the year I was born, so I only have my recent experience w/ them to go by! BTW Joe still has his 951 and Henry used to have one and they both love em, and despite the fact that they like 911s a bit more like I do, they like 944s too much to be as blunt about them as you are! I still love em though, but I do see the inherent strength of the 911 concept even more.
I am enjoying this discussion of the "other" Porsches from the perspective of 911 guys, keep it coming!
---Chris A.
Pete, I appreciate your insight on the 944s when they were brand new and how they came to be the way they are (we generally do the water pump every time we do a timing belt!). They came out the year I was born, so I only have my recent experience w/ them to go by! BTW Joe still has his 951 and Henry used to have one and they both love em, and despite the fact that they like 911s a bit more like I do, they like 944s too much to be as blunt about them as you are! I still love em though, but I do see the inherent strength of the 911 concept even more.
I am enjoying this discussion of the "other" Porsches from the perspective of 911 guys, keep it coming!
---Chris A.
Brandon J
04-10-2007, 01:58 AM
#56
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by sracer
Chris just out of curiousity do you work for Schienders autohaus? my 1990 944S2 was serviced there from 1993 to 2001 when the PO bought it brought it to WA where I bought it from him in 2004. Its a fantasic car!
Brandon J
Brandon J
---Chris A.