Loaded

no?

CN

That's right... No!

A 911 Turbo is not a 911 with a Turbo Charger stuck on it. That is why the Turbo 911 costs almost twice the price of a 911. The differences exceed what can be added on for $5000. This difference may not be realized immediately but will be realized eventually. If you wanna play, you're gunna pay!

Cheers,

spence88mph

Many say a G50 Carrera is a better base for a turbo car than a a pre 89 930.

* the carrera engine has the same conrods, crankcase and crank as a 930.
* has a better intake
* has Motronic
* G50 can handle huge amounts of power

lots more on this can be found on the 'other' forum.

J. Brinkley

Originally Posted by Loaded
Or spend 5k and add a turbo on the 86-89 and have the same power yes?

yes
to each his own though, I understand why some say no

Mike Murphy

Yes & No, really.

No, because the truth is, can you get $35,000 for a 3.2 Carrera that has a turbo added? Probably not. But you can if you buy a real 930. To each his own, but there are some differences, including, but not limited to, the originality of the car.

Yes, because not only can you make the same power as the 930, you can actually make more and spend less. Or course, you might want to also upgrade the tie rods, brakes, and other misc components.

But anyways, the original post was about a more "raw" car, not necessarily a more powerful one. Once he selects the 911 of choice, he can always upgrade to a real turbo version or do some mods.

Amber Gramps

if it is a second car, or third car, weekends only, go all in and get a '88 3.2 G50 cab.

douglas

'88 911 cab ven blue met
(19 years in ohio, now soaking up the sun in so cal)

Loaded

buy a chevy vega and drop a small block in it. That'll be fun

JBO

I love my SC, but if I were buying one now I'd probably get a 964. If I wanted a little more raw, probably a 3.2, as I'm getting a little tired of adjusting my CIS mixture several times a year, and you can chip the 3.2. However, I would not limit my search to G50 cars, and would buy the best one I could find, any year 84-89. That being said, I wouldn't get rid of my SC to get one of those cars. If it was totalled, however, I would probably get one of those vs another SC. Or better yet, an SC with a well executed 3.6 swap .

Super_Dave_D

Yes an 88 is the best one!

Jay H

My first 911 was an '86 coupe. I sold that to get my current 1990 964. Recently, I bought an '84 coupe to drive. The 964 stays in the garage. My brother has a 1970 911T and two 911SC's that I've got a lot of seat time in as well.

Granted the 993 is supposed to be the better car, but the major differences over the 964 are the rear suspension, 6 speed gear box and increased power. However, 964's are only a tenth or two slower than the 993 in most instances. My point is that comparing a 964 to a 3.2 might be very similar as comparing a 993 to a 3.2. I've driven enough 993's in my short life to be able to compare the 964 and 993 differences. Here's my thoughts:

The 964 is definitely faster in all aspects verses a 3.2 Carrera (comparing bone stock, US spec cars). There is more hp and torque and you can feel it easily. Of course the braking is up to 911 standards with the 964. The 964 is a bit heavier than the 3.2 Carrera that it replaced and you can feel that too. However, the 3.6 motor pulls like a freight train which keeps the 964 somewhat nimble yet.

The ventilation and safety features of the 964/993 cars are far superior to the older generations. ABS and air bags were standard for 1989 and 1990 respectively.

The 964 drives and shifts more like a modern car. Porsche really dialed out the "old school" feel for this generation. All the sounds and feel of the older cars are still kind of there, but they are much more muted. The 964's and 993's are quieter, more comfortable and are easier to drive. The limits are much higher in the 964/993's.

All that being said, which car would I rather take on a drive for fun? The 1970 "T" is an absolute hoot. It's light, extremely raw and insanely fun to drive. You really gotta pay attention to what you're doing, all of the time. I would assume the only more involving Porsche's to drive are one's that are older yet.

My '84 Carrera is the next choice for me. The DME fuel injection is something I like since it's so stable and needs little, if any adjustments over the long haul. I like the increased torque of the 3.2's around town. 3.2's drive very similar to SC's and not all that much different from the 2.7 liter cars of the '70's. Weight keeps going up as the years go by, so that really is the major difference. Keep in mind that the 911 didn't drastically change in basic design from 1965 to 1989.

My brother has two Euro specification SC's. They are a bit more high strung than US spec cars and have output that is similar to the early 3.2 cars (about 200 hp). They are also very fun to drive, though balk a bit more at low rev's in town. They are very similar in all apsects to my '84 other than the very slight difference in power delivery.

The 964 is still fun to drive, but is my last choice to take. It's just too modern in feel for me for a fun car since I have other choices available. But, if I had to have one for everyday driving, the 964 would be the choice since it's just plain easier to live with on a daily basis due to that refinement I mentioned above and more modern feel to it.

Hope this helps,

Jay
All the 911's...

P.S. I apologize to all the people that have been reading my banter on this subject matter time after time. I'm sure it's getting old and tiresome... But, let's hope it helps the people that are new here or for archive searches on this subject.

drnd

I would go with an early 911 (65'-73). Fun to drive without breaking the bank with upside in the future.

flatsixnut

This may be the best advice you can get.....

Test drive everything you think may be in your price range, then look for the best you can afford in the model range you liked best.

Everyone is dif in what feels best to them, so nobodies opinion is better than yours. Most everyone on here will say what they have is the best. We cant help it....we love our cars.

Sean F

Budget please

visible23

As usual great advice and much appreciated. I'm looking for a balance between raw and dependable. My budget...uhm...let's stay under $25K. I have seen some great (maybe too great, super low-miles and the like) G-50 3.2's, a couple Carrera 3.0's which caught my eye, a few SC's that looked and sounded great but weren't really as advertised. I want a driver. Turbo's are interesting but a little scary to me so I'd rather not go that route. Any other questions I can answer?

J. Brinkley

don't think that 88's are any better than 87's
and don't think that 87's are any lighter than 86's
motronics are easier to work on than CIS cars.
Any carrera that's driven and kept up well is a nice choice. Way less than 25