Loaded

Who wins?

The 928 boys have a nice thread bout it

JackOlsen

It depends on the modifications and level of preparation on both cars.

The 928 is a very capable platform. I assume that the 911 variants have always ultimately been faster, but that's because so many of them are used in professional racing. Are there any tracks where the fastest 928s hold a track record over the fastest 911 variants?

With enough money, you can make just about anything fast.

spence88mph

depends on which model 911 and 928.

Early 928s look like lard asses on the track, it also depends on what track, long or short.

In a straight line I'm sure I'd be waxed by a 32 valve 928S but I think a 930 would beat one and a S4.

You have to be fair and pit the right car against the other in regards to price and year, for example I reckon a 965 would beat a 928 GTS in pretty much every area.

spence88mph

yeah what jack said....

Loaded

I have owned both and I feel the 86 9113.2 vs 86 928 the 911 would win. 928s always semed to be so very sluggish off the line until they hit 100mph or so

ked

I don't see the comparison.

JackOlsen

If you go out with a bunch of track-prepped sharks, it's pretty startling. They can run a lot of tire and put down a lot of power -- and I've seen examples that are quite a bit lighter than my car. Mark Anderson's cars (I think the company is '928 International') are pretty phenomenal. And Mark Kibort has been proving the 928 is still a force to be reckoned with every time he goes out in both amateur and pro races.

But 928 development is a drop in the bucket compared to what's been worked out for the 911. If money is no object, you can build something like the GT1 out of a 911 and beat up on everybody.

Daniel Dudley

Good shocks and tires on a 928 really transform them. They are too heavy for the stock size factory setup. A good handling 928 is a real eye opener.

Out of the box, I'd rather drive a 911. BTW, there was a killer vid of Mark A. waxing an entire trackful of 911s. I mean he lapped the field. Then again, that's no ordinary car. But niether were the 911s. Porsche don't make junk. [SP]

gunlover05

i've had both, but never tracked either....well prepped track cars - I can only imagine long track 928 could have an edge, short curvy track 911 have the edge....

street, similar to above, but 928 can have very expensive repair bills because of comparable rarity and parts availability. Street driving is more "curvy" usually, so 911 wins here with me.

I own a 85 911 and sold my 80 928 years ago - for what that's worth.

PC2

It all boils down to money. Like what Jack said, the development of a reliable 928 track car cost more than a 911 equivalent ... ask me how I know. But if money is no object, a race prepped 928 can be very competitive. However, not many race organizations will properly classify a 928.

Ed Hughes

I've obviously have both, but the 911 is my preferred track car. It's more nimble, and power/weight is about the same as a 928S4. It's got a lot more braking power, since I added the 993 brake calipers and larger rotors.

I had the opportunity to take my 928 out to the new Eagle's Canyon Raceway, and was pretty surprized at how it performed, albeit a stock car (except exhaust) and running on 17" Advan Neovas. It is well balanced, it did stop well, and certainly pulls out of turns. This was also at 7/10; 9/10 or 10/10 would've made it tough to handle sharp turns on street tires, and the brakes probably would've started to go away. But what street car wouldn't have issues under similar conditions?

So, I view it as Porsche designed it: the ultimate Grand Tourer that is capable of spirted driving and takes you wherever in comfort.

As Jack notes, the two Marks do very well against much newer 911 Cup cars, and who knows where they'd be if there had been more race development done with 928s in general.

But, the 911 has a lot of race development over the last 40+ years, and is the better track car. IMO.

altonj

Having owned 6 911's and 2 928 S4's, I will agree with most of the posts. The 911 makes a more fun track car. It talks to you throught the controls and the seat. The 928's never talked to me throught the seat. Now, I am building an all out 911 DE weapon, but I think the same could be made out of a 928 with a similar amount of dollars.

On the street, there is something to be said about the torque of the 32V 928's, very addictive....

But, back to the track. I have more brakes on my 911 than my 928 had and my 911 is about 1000lbs lighter (my 928's were stock, except for wheels and tires) and it is fully modified so it is my choice for a track day toy. But, I would still love to build a 928 DE car.....

On the street, I will say that if either of my 32V 928S4's were 5 speeds, I would still own them. I think they are wonderful cars.

cheers

Loaded

I think one of the things that hold the Auto 928 is the gear ratios the 0-60 could be quickened substantialy with a quicker 1-2 gearing. It was always fun traveling at 100mph then flooring it on the highway and feeling the love. The 911 just paowers righ up to 150 where the 928 is pushing past and above..

Just always felt to me the 928 was held back by its tranny and gearing.

JBO

They are both capable but different animals. With the right mods, due to the 50/50 weight distribution 928's would certainly be easier to drive fast. I saw a 68 Camaro that trounced everything, including 911's, at the Mitty at Road Atlanta a few years ago. Johnny O'connell in his Corvette regularly beats 996's. I have previously owned a 944T, Corvette and Mustang GT, all very fast, but I have more fun driving my 911SC. I guess my point is to remember that which is faster does not correspond to which is more fun.