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hey guys,a while back we looking for a name for someones dog..i posted pics with the story of my dog..well,he bit my daughters friend(9yeras old)...he bit her a few times and she was bleeding...her parents are amazing,they dont want to press any charges and the father is truly a hell of a guy..the live about 20 houses from us,BUT the folks next door called the police...
i am at a loss,i really love this dog(buddy)but cant take this chance again..there is a house behind us that is finally finished so we can now put up a fence..i am away in europe,so i missed the entire attack..
i want my girl to be able to have friends over and for them to be AND feel safe..i thought of everything...will the fence work?..if i take him to the local aspca,he may rot in a cage and then be put down...i would rather put him down..we all love him,hes our family..its sucks having to be on guard all the time..the people that called the cops said they would sue us..understandable,but they are ********..my wife wants to protective services on them cause they leave their 9 year old alone in the house 3 days a week for 5 hours each day...aahhh suburban america..this dog is not vicious to us..he doesnt want anyone in the house though..i travel a lot so i feel they are safe with buddy.....
its sucks having to make sure every door is closed at ALL TIMES..the door was opened a crack and he got it open and ran out and bit the girl...when he came out all the girls screamed and started running which does not help..i just want to do the right thing,and wonder if a fence is a temporary band aid..my some puppy prozac..thanks,joey
i am at a loss,i really love this dog(buddy)but cant take this chance again..there is a house behind us that is finally finished so we can now put up a fence..i am away in europe,so i missed the entire attack..
i want my girl to be able to have friends over and for them to be AND feel safe..i thought of everything...will the fence work?..if i take him to the local aspca,he may rot in a cage and then be put down...i would rather put him down..we all love him,hes our family..its sucks having to be on guard all the time..the people that called the cops said they would sue us..understandable,but they are ********..my wife wants to protective services on them cause they leave their 9 year old alone in the house 3 days a week for 5 hours each day...aahhh suburban america..this dog is not vicious to us..he doesnt want anyone in the house though..i travel a lot so i feel they are safe with buddy.....
its sucks having to make sure every door is closed at ALL TIMES..the door was opened a crack and he got it open and ran out and bit the girl...when he came out all the girls screamed and started running which does not help..i just want to do the right thing,and wonder if a fence is a temporary band aid..my some puppy prozac..thanks,joey
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If you really want to fix this, you should read a book by the Dog Wisperer, Ceasar Millan. What you need to realize is that you, the owner, needs to change in order for the dog to change. If you have the patients and effort, this is solvable. Get that book or video and start becoming the pack leader. Good luck!
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Joey, this would be great for the rennlist off topic area, plenty of dog lovers there,
In any event, I would look towards getting a trainer and seeing what they can do with the dog, sometimes it's just a little aggression and it can be "trained out"
Good luck to you!
In any event, I would look towards getting a trainer and seeing what they can do with the dog, sometimes it's just a little aggression and it can be "trained out"
Good luck to you!
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Part of the decision should be based on how hard it is to control the dog when he is having a bad moment. We had a chihuahua mix that sometimes bit things in his excitement - including our kids' fingers and toes - but due to his size, the bites were small, it was easy enough to make him stop. Now we have a 100+ lb mixed shepard, and if he were a biter, it would be extremely difficult to stop him. Professional trainers can do a lot to help, but it will take a lot of your time too. It just depends on how much you want to invest in the dog, in time and money. Also, if you are traveling a lot, it makes more sense to have someone who is with the dog to train him, i.e. be the "alpha male". I hate to say it, but sometimes the most humane thing is to put him down. Good luck with him.
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I'm so sorry but you probably know what the Right Thing to do is. He attacked a child, and he didn't bite her once but enough to cause bleeding. I doubt very much that the spca will take him given that history and while I imagine you might find a trainer that would claim to be able to train it out of him would you ever be really confidant?
I grew up around dogs, both working dogs (for help with sheep) and pets, and the rule is once they've tasted blood the only thing you can do is to put them down. It only happened to us once and it was really sad.
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I grew up around dogs, both working dogs (for help with sheep) and pets, and the rule is once they've tasted blood the only thing you can do is to put them down. It only happened to us once and it was really sad.
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Originally Posted by prittie
I'm so sorry but you probably know what the Right Thing to do is. He attacked a child, and he didn't bite her once but enough to cause bleeding. I doubt very much that the spca will take him given that history and while I imagine you might find a trainer that would claim to be able to train it out of him would you ever be really confidant?
I grew up around dogs, both working dogs (for help with sheep) and pets, and the rule is once they've tasted blood the only thing you can do is to put them down. It only happened to us once and it was really sad.
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I grew up around dogs, both working dogs (for help with sheep) and pets, and the rule is once they've tasted blood the only thing you can do is to put them down. It only happened to us once and it was really sad.
-mike
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As for OT or non Porcshe realted issues, we all share a common bond on here, and asking for advice/help in any fashion should be as welcome as anything else. My 0.02.
Good luck
Frank
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well it has been a hell of day...there is nothing anyone can do to us...the worse thing is that he will be dubbed a dangerous dog..we have decided to exhaust every possible remedy in gettimg him better behaved...north carolina laws actually favor the owner..by no means do i feel that i am getting off the hook...i love this mutt...and feel that i need to try everything i can do before getting rid of him..we can finally build a fence and work with a trainer...the aspca would desrtoy him after a while and i need to be the one to make the decision and only after we try everything...a fence is a start..we are also talking about moving to a bigger house with more land....i do want to thank you guys for your responses and for the last 2 years i have been here,this has been a great forum for EVERYthing ..sorry if i put it in the wrong forum,but thanks again..joey
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I can only imagine what you're going through, its pretty hellish. It sounds like you've realized that the neighbors cant sue you for damage to someone else so thats good, as long as they didn't witness anything did they? You never know in this litigious society we live in so count yourself really lucky that events worked out the way they did, but remember your dog has a "record" now so there may not be any second chances!
Short of putting the dog down a fence is all you can do. A serious fence. And if you move to another house you'll need a fence there too if only from a legal point of view. And you're absolutely right about no aspca, that part can be done at home with a visiting vet if it comes to that.
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Short of putting the dog down a fence is all you can do. A serious fence. And if you move to another house you'll need a fence there too if only from a legal point of view. And you're absolutely right about no aspca, that part can be done at home with a visiting vet if it comes to that.
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Joey
Electronic fence might be a help. I should add, that the one chomping (on me) occured when I was about 8. I was playing with friends at their house, and as kids will do, running about like my *** was on fire and my hair was catching....the familys German Shep. chomped me on the forearm, and after my water works had subsided, it was noted with relief all around (dog was probably relieved as well) that I had indents from teeth but no broken skin. It was the common belief that the GS was protecting the familys home/kids. I think that what ever you do, you need to do it now. Be advised re: the fence; my lab can clear a six footer without thinking twice about it....I think you should consult someone who can tell you whats what ASAP. A vet should be able to direct you to a good trainer. IMO, the dog is far less important than the family. If you have to send buddy to the clearing at the end of the path, do so.
Electronic fence might be a help. I should add, that the one chomping (on me) occured when I was about 8. I was playing with friends at their house, and as kids will do, running about like my *** was on fire and my hair was catching....the familys German Shep. chomped me on the forearm, and after my water works had subsided, it was noted with relief all around (dog was probably relieved as well) that I had indents from teeth but no broken skin. It was the common belief that the GS was protecting the familys home/kids. I think that what ever you do, you need to do it now. Be advised re: the fence; my lab can clear a six footer without thinking twice about it....I think you should consult someone who can tell you whats what ASAP. A vet should be able to direct you to a good trainer. IMO, the dog is far less important than the family. If you have to send buddy to the clearing at the end of the path, do so.
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Joey,
I want to applaud your commitment to your 'buddy" I saw the pic you posted of him and think he looks a lot like an australian shepherd (maybe he is an aussie X ) Anyway, he may be exhibiting herding behavior and/or a strong guardian instinct.
There is a great herding instructor in raleigh/durham as well as a flyball team and agility instructor. If Buddy could get some positive OB training and had a chance to expend some energy youur problem just may go away. PM me if you would like some details.
I want to applaud your commitment to your 'buddy" I saw the pic you posted of him and think he looks a lot like an australian shepherd (maybe he is an aussie X ) Anyway, he may be exhibiting herding behavior and/or a strong guardian instinct.
There is a great herding instructor in raleigh/durham as well as a flyball team and agility instructor. If Buddy could get some positive OB training and had a chance to expend some energy youur problem just may go away. PM me if you would like some details.
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I'd say there isnt much doubt that he was exhibiting some strong guardian instinct but i doubt there was any herding instinct displayed.
Training is a good idea as long as you dont get lulled into a false security and let your guard down. You'll think he's "cured" or "trained" and that isnt necessairly so. Dogs are simple, loving, instinctive, pack animals and they can be spooked or aroused very quickly at which point their instinct takes over, and unfortunatly he has shown how he can react. So you'll still need a fence, and as panchosouth says at _least_ six feet.
I dont mean to be a downer. just my .02c
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Training is a good idea as long as you dont get lulled into a false security and let your guard down. You'll think he's "cured" or "trained" and that isnt necessairly so. Dogs are simple, loving, instinctive, pack animals and they can be spooked or aroused very quickly at which point their instinct takes over, and unfortunatly he has shown how he can react. So you'll still need a fence, and as panchosouth says at _least_ six feet.
I dont mean to be a downer. just my .02c
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Good luck Joey. I'm a dog person too, and feel for you. I was bitten when I was 7-8 years old by a relative's collie (1/4" deep, less than an inch from my eye), but it wasn't necessarily the dog's fault. I was holding a bucket of sand above my head and (I think) the dog believed it was food or something. I was being a kid, and the dog was being a dog. A few years later, I was the only one who could feed the dog when the owners were out of town, so we still bonded 
. A fence, etc. is a good idea, and since you do not 'know' Buddy's past, imo, you should ensure that he isn't around kids unsupervised by yourself (or some other 'alpha' figure). I hope this works out for you and Buddy...he's found a good owner!
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. A fence, etc. is a good idea, and since you do not 'know' Buddy's past, imo, you should ensure that he isn't around kids unsupervised by yourself (or some other 'alpha' figure). I hope this works out for you and Buddy...he's found a good owner!Keith
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thanks so,so much guys..its obvious that he feels a need to protect our home...i take him out with me to the golf course where we met..all the guys remember him and since he followed me home,they are ALL able to pet him when i bring him there..i take him when we get ice-cream and he is fine around other people...so..a fence it is..and a shrink..j