viper vs. porsche
01-03-2003, 11:10 AM
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Thought I might offer the comments I made on the Viper Board to the Porsche community as well.
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I read the posts on the Rennlist Board (and recently on the Turbo (911) Board and find most of the Porsche enthusiasts to be open, honest, respectful and objective (as one might expect). Others are less so and still others tend to be downright insulting. The clownshoe remarks are just asinine.
For me it comes down to personal preference. Vipers and 911 Turbos are both great cars and so close in performance that driver skill will likely be the only real determining factor. That assumes, of course, that the Viper has been outfitted with real brakes. Pisses me off that we need to pony up another 4 to 5 large just to get the friggen thing to stop respectably.
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I read the posts on the Rennlist Board (and recently on the Turbo (911) Board and find most of the Porsche enthusiasts to be open, honest, respectful and objective (as one might expect). Others are less so and still others tend to be downright insulting. The clownshoe remarks are just asinine.
For me it comes down to personal preference. Vipers and 911 Turbos are both great cars and so close in performance that driver skill will likely be the only real determining factor. That assumes, of course, that the Viper has been outfitted with real brakes. Pisses me off that we need to pony up another 4 to 5 large just to get the friggen thing to stop respectably.
01-03-2003, 08:21 PM
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Great post for a Snowy CT afternoon. I've been a Porsche owner since '86 (new 944 n/a), cause I could! No Vipers back then,( I guess I could have gotten a Hemi something) But I also built some pretty nasty Chevy Small blocks( showing my age? 
), and admire most all High Performance crafts. Sooo that's why we race. To each there own.
With that I just want to say that the Clownshoe (never though of it like that)/Bathtub exchange made me bust out Laughing! Thanks
Buck
), and admire most all High Performance crafts. Sooo that's why we race. To each there own.With that I just want to say that the Clownshoe (never though of it like that)/Bathtub exchange made me bust out Laughing! Thanks
Buck
01-03-2003, 11:11 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by ACR Joe:
<strong>The clownshoe remarks are just asinine.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, it was a <a href="http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=joke" target="_blank">joke</a>. I should know, I made the remarks. Feel free to jump back to page 1 and read my post. Then again, don't bother, I'll quote it for you here:
[quote]Originally posted by emcon5:
<strong> Well, if you go for the Clown Shoe look
</strong><hr></blockquote>
See that little yellow guy at the end of the line? That little smiley face with the big stupid grin means it is a <a href="http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=joke" target="_blank">joke</a>.
In other words, lighten up, and ask yourself why it is so upsetting to some people that someone
they have never met doesn't like how their car looks?
Lots of people don't like Porsches, and assume everyone who drives one is a self-centered *****. You know what? I couldn't possibly care less. I didn't buy a 20 year old 911 to impress anyone, or make my dick bigger, or pick up chicks. I bought it because I wanted one since I was a kid, and they are fairly affordable, relatively easy to maintain, and a ton of fun to drive, even with a lowly 180hp.
Don't feel persecuted though (since everyone seems to care so much about what I think), it isn't just Vipers I don't care for the looks of, I don't like the new 911's all that much either.
You must admit, the resemblance is striking
BTW, I didn't have to look hard for this Viper picture, I found it when I did a Google images search for "clown shoe". It was on the first page, 9th hit. (if you don't believe me, try it yourself)
Now, if this really upsets you, you may find some help <a href="http://store4.yimg.com/I/officiallynuts_1722_8018595" target="_blank">here.</a>
Tom
<strong>The clownshoe remarks are just asinine.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, it was a <a href="http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=joke" target="_blank">joke</a>. I should know, I made the remarks. Feel free to jump back to page 1 and read my post. Then again, don't bother, I'll quote it for you here:
[quote]Originally posted by emcon5:
<strong> Well, if you go for the Clown Shoe look
</strong><hr></blockquote>
See that little yellow guy at the end of the line? That little smiley face with the big stupid grin means it is a <a href="http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=joke" target="_blank">joke</a>.
In other words, lighten up, and ask yourself why it is so upsetting to some people that someone
they have never met doesn't like how their car looks?
Lots of people don't like Porsches, and assume everyone who drives one is a self-centered *****. You know what? I couldn't possibly care less. I didn't buy a 20 year old 911 to impress anyone, or make my dick bigger, or pick up chicks. I bought it because I wanted one since I was a kid, and they are fairly affordable, relatively easy to maintain, and a ton of fun to drive, even with a lowly 180hp.
Don't feel persecuted though (since everyone seems to care so much about what I think), it isn't just Vipers I don't care for the looks of, I don't like the new 911's all that much either.
You must admit, the resemblance is striking
BTW, I didn't have to look hard for this Viper picture, I found it when I did a Google images search for "clown shoe". It was on the first page, 9th hit. (if you don't believe me, try it yourself)
Now, if this really upsets you, you may find some help <a href="http://store4.yimg.com/I/officiallynuts_1722_8018595" target="_blank">here.</a>
Tom
01-04-2003, 04:15 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Jaxon:
<strong>How has the Viper faired at Le Mans?</strong><hr></blockquote>
They won a lot. Chrysler got bored and quit racing them.
<strong>How has the Viper faired at Le Mans?</strong><hr></blockquote>
They won a lot. Chrysler got bored and quit racing them.
01-04-2003, 03:18 PM
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Your childish, woefully inept and completely ineffective diatribe convinces no one and totally substantiates my point. I hope we meet on the track some day so me and my clownshoe can give you and that poor excuse for an Aryan outhouse the automotive equivalent of a bitch slap.
And I mean that in the best possible way!
Your childish, woefully inept and completely ineffective diatribe convinces no one and totally substantiates my point. I hope we meet on the track some day so me and my clownshoe can give you and that poor excuse for an Aryan outhouse the automotive equivalent of a bitch slap.
And I mean that in the best possible way!
01-04-2003, 04:45 PM
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Both Porsche and Chrysler/Dodge Viper have accomplished a lot since '94...... Audi has the most to crow about of late. What's the real arguement?
Le Mans since '94
1994: 18th/19th June
CIRCUIT = 13.600km
48 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 36 DAUER PORSCHE 962LM 2994T F6 DALMAS,BALDI,HAYWOOD 344
2 1 TOYOTA 94CV 3576T V8 IRVINE,MARTINI,KROSNOFF 343
3 35 DAUER PORSCHE 962LM 2994T F6 STUCK,BOUTSEN,SULLIVAN 343
4 4 TOYOTA 94CV 3576T V8 WOLLEK,ANDSKAR,FOUCHE 328
5 75 NISSAN 300ZX 2960T V6 MILLEN,O’CONNELL,MORTON 317
6 5 KREMER PORSCHE K8 3000T F6 D.BELL,DONOVAN,LAESSIG 316
7 9 COURAGE PORSCHE C32LM 2994T F6 RICCI,EVANS,OLCZYK 310
8 52 PORSCHE RSR 3800 F6 DUPUY,PAREJA,PALAU 307
9 54 PORSCHE CUP/RSR 3800 F6 CALDERARI,BRYNER,MASTROPIETRO 299
10 59 PORSCHE RSR 3800 F6 HUYSMAN,EUSER,MATJAZ 295
11 57 FERRARI 348GT 3405 V8 ORLEANS,SALDANA,VILARINO 276
12 40 DODGE VIPER 7996 V10 ARNOUX,J.BELL,BALAS 273
13 60 ALPINE A610 2996 V6 GALMARD,POLICE,B.ROY 272
14 48 HONDA NSX 2977 V6 HAHNE,GACHOT,BOUCHUT 257
15 74 MAZDA RX-7 2616 R4 TERADA,DE THOISY,FREON 250
16 46 HONDA NSX 2977 V6 SHIMIZU,OKADA,FAVRE 240
17 68 VENTURI 400 GTR 2975T V6 SIRERA,CAMP,PUIG 225
18 47 HONDA NSX 2977 V6 TAKAHASHI,TSUCHIYA,IIDA 222
1995: 17th/18th June
CIRCUIT = 13.600km
48 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers dist.(km)
1 59 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 DALMAS,LEHTO,SEKIYA 4055.800
2 13 COURAGE PORSCHE C34 3000T F6 WOLLEK,ANDRETTI,HELARY 4046.339
3 51 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 WALLACE,D.BELL,J.BELL 4030.430
4 24 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 BELLM,SALA,BLUNDELL 3966.833
5 50 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 GIROIX,GROUILLARD,DELETRAZ 3956.324
6 4 KREMER PORSCHE K8 2998T F6 STUCK,BOUCHUT,BOUTSEN 3939.401
7 5 MAZDA DG3 1962 R4 TERADA,FREON,DOWNING 3846.505
8 84 HONDA NSX 2977 V6 TAKAHASHI,IIDA,TSUCHIYA 3746.959
9 73 CALLAWAY CORVETTE 6300 V8 JELINSKI,UNSER,BERTAGGIA 3713.295
10 22 NISSAN SKYLINE GTR-LM 2568T S6 FUKUYAMA,KONDO,KASUYA 3695.879
11 75 CALLAWAY CORVETTE 6300 V8 AGUSTA,DONOVAN,O’BRIEN 3686.061
12 34 FERRARI F40 LM 2998T V8 M.FERTE,THEVENIN,PALAU 3681.213
13 42 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 MAURY-LARIBIERE,SOURD,POULAIN 3623.945
14 27 TOYOTA SUPRA 2140T S4 MARTINI,KROSNOFF,APICELLA 3597.984
15 77 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 SEIKEL,DOLEJSI,KUSTER 3585.386
16 78 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 VAN DE VYVER,ORTION,VEROUX 3570.306
17 81 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 JONES,ADAMS,McQUILLAN 3406.099
18 41 FERRARI F40 EVOLUZIONE 2998T V8 MONTI,MANCINI,AYLES 3232.396
19 54 PORSCHE 993 BITURBO 3800T F6 KAUFMANN,LIGONNET,HANE 3124.714
20 14 DEBORA FORD LMP295 1996T S6 SANTAL,SEZIONALE,ROUSSEL 3027.187
1996: 15th/16th June
CIRCUIT = 13.600km
48 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 7 TWR-PORSCHE WSC 95 2999T F6 REUTER,JONES,WURZ 354
2 25 PORSCHE 911 GT1 3200T F6 STUCK,BOUTSEN,WOLLEK 353
3 26 PORSCHE 911 GT1 3200T F6 DALMAS,WENDLINGER,GOODYEAR 341
4 30 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 NIELSEN,BSCHER,KOX 338
5 34 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 RAPHANEL,OWEN-JONES,BRABHAM 335
6 29 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 WALLACE,GROUILLARD,D.BELL 328
7 5 COURAGE PORSCHE C36 2999T F6 PESCAROLO,LAGORCE,COLLARD 327
8 39 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 PIQUET,CECOTTO,SULLIVAN 324
9 33 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 BELLM,WEAVER,LEHTO 323
10 48 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 COBB,DISMORE,HENDRICKS 320
11 38 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 LAFFITE,SOPER,DUEZ 318
12 79 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 MARTINOLLE,KELLENERS,EICHMANN 317
13 4 COURAGE PORSCHE C36 2999T F6 ANDRETTI,LAMMERS,WARWICK 315
14 71 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 FARMER,MURPHY,NEARN 313
15 23 NISSAN SKYLINE GTR-LM 2800T S6 M.HASEMI,A.HASEMI,T.SUZUKI 307
16 75 HONDA NSX 2977 V6 TAKAHASHI,TSUCHIYA,IIDA 305
17 83 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 ORTELLI,PILGRIM,BAGNALL 299
18 77 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 JURASZ,T.SUZUKI,KUSTER 297
19 28 LISTER JAGUAR STORM 6996 V12 LEES,NEEDELL,REID 295
20 82 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 GOUESLARD,AHRLE,BOURDAIS 284
21 50 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 HELARY,BERETTA,GACHE 283
22 27 PORSCHE 911 GT2 EVO 3600T F6 CHEREAU,YVER,LECONTE 279
23 49 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 CUDINI,MORTON,SIFTON 269
24 46 SARD MC-8R 4000T V8 A.FERTE,MARTINI,FABRE 256
25 20 MAZDA DG 4 1962 R4 TERADA,DOWNING,FREON 251
1997: 14th/15th June
CIRCUIT = 13.605km (Dunlop chicane reprofiled)
48 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 7 TWR-PORSCHE WSC 95 2994T F6 ALBORETO,JOHANSSON,KRISTENSEN 361
2 41 McLAREN F1 GTR 5990 V12 RAPHANEL,GOUNON,OLOFSSON 360
3 43 McLAREN F1 GTR 5995 V12 KOX,RAVAGLIA,HELARY 358
4 13 COURAGE PORSCHE C41 2994T F6 POLICAND,COTTAZ,GOOSSENS 336
5 33 PORSCHE 911 GT1 3164T F6 LAMY,HAHNE,GOUESLARD 331
6 3 FERRARI 333SP 3997 V12 MORETTI,THEYS,PAPIS 321
7 8 COURAGE PORSCHE C36 2994T F6 PESCAROLO,CLERICO,BELLOC 319
8 27 PORSCHE 911 GT1 3164T F6 MARTINI,PESCATORI,HERMANN 317
9 78 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 NEUGARTEN,MARTINOLLE,LAGNIEZ 307
10 74 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 PILGRIM,AHRLE,EICHMANN 306
11 73 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 M,P & T MELLO-BREYNER 295
12 23 TWR NISSAN R390 GT1 3496T V8 HOSHINO,COMAS,KAGEYAMA 294
13 80 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 HUERTGEN,PRICE,ROBINSON 287
14 63 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BELL,MORTON,YVER 278
15 64 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 NURMINEN,HUGENHOLZ,GLEASON 269
16 10 COURAGE PORSCHE C36 2994T F6 EKBLOM,RICCI,LIBERT 265
17 15 MAZDA DLM MS 97 2616 R4 TERADA,FREON,DOWNING 263
1998: 6th/7th June
CIRCUIT = 13.605km
47 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 26 PORSCHE 911 GT1-98 3196T F6 McNISH,ORTELLI,AIELLO 351
2 25 PORSCHE 911 GT1-98 3196T F6 WOLLEK,MULLER,ALZEN 350
3 32 TWR NISSAN R390 GT1 3496T V8 HOSHINO,A.SUZUKI,Mko.KAGEYAMA 347
4 40 McLAREN F1 GTR 5990 V12 O’ROUKE,SUGDEN,AUBERLEN 343
5 30 TWR NISSAN R390 GT1 3496T V8 NIELSEN,LAGORCE,KRUMM 342
6 31 TWR NISSAN R390 GT1 3496T V8 COMAS,LAMMERS,MONTERMINI 342
7 45 PANOZ GT-R1 5999 F6 BRABHAM,WALLACE,DAVIES 335
8 12 FERRARI 333SP 3997 V12 TAYLOR,VAN DER POELE,VELEZ 332
9 27 TOYOTA GT-ONE 3600T V8 KATAYAMA,T.SUZUKI,K.TSUCHIYA 326
10 33 TWR NISSAN R390 GT1 3496T V8 KUROSAWA,MOTOYAMA,Mmi.KAGEYAMA 319
11 53 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BELL,DONOHUE,DRUDI 317
12 16 KREMER PORSCHE K8/2 2994T F6 AGUSTA,COPPELLI,POMPIDOU 314
13 51 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BERETTA,LAMY,ARCHER 312
14 3 FERRARI 333SP 3997 V12 MORETTI,THEYS,BALDI 311
15 24 COURAGE PORSCHE C41 2994T F6 TERADA,FREON,THEVENIN 304
16 15 COURAGE PORSCHE C36 2994T F6 PESCAROLO,GROUILLARD,MONTAGNY 300
17 64 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3800T F6 HURTGEN,LIGONNET,NEARN 285
18 69 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 NOURRY,PERRIER,RICCI 276
19 56 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 TURNER,AYLES,HUGENHOLTZ 270
20 68 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 GRAHAM,POULAIN,MAURY-LARIBIERE 268
21 55 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 AMORIM,GOMES,MELLO-BREYNER 264
22 65 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3800T F6 SCHIRLE,AHRLE,WARNOCK 247
23 72 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 GOUESLARD,CHEREAU,YVER 240
1999: 12th/13th June
CIRCUIT = 13.605km
45 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 15 BMW V12 LMR 5990 V12 MARTINI/DALMAS/WINKELHOCK 365
2 3 TOYOTA GT-ONE 3600T V8 KATAYAMA/TSUCHIYA/SUZUKI 364
3 8 AUDI R8R 3594T V8 BIELA/THEYS/PIRRO 360
4 7 AUDI R8R 3594T V8 AIELLO/ALBORETO/CAPELLO 346
5 18 BMW V12 LM 5990 V12 BSCHER/AUBERLEN/SOPER 345
6 13 COURAGE-NISSAN C52 3495T V8 CAFFI/MONTERMINI/SCHIATERELLA 342
7 12 PANOZ LMP-1 6000 V8 BRABHAM/BERNARD/LEITZINGER 336
8 21 COURAGE-NISSAN C52 3495T V8 COTTAZ/EKBLOM/GOOSSENS 334
9 14 COURAGE-PORSCHE C50 3000T F6 PESCAROLO/M.FERTE/GAY 327
10 51 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BERETTA/WENDLINGER/DUPUY 325
11 11 PANOZ LMP-1 6000 V8 MAGNUSSEN/O'CONNELL/ANGELELLI 323
12 52 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BELL/DUEZ/ARCHER 318
13 81 PORSCHE 996 3600 F6 ALZEN/RICCITELLI/HUISMAN 317
14 56 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 HUGENHOLTZ/AMORIM/SEILER 314
15 50 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 P.,T.& M. MELLO-BREYNER 312
16 55 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 CLERICO/MARTINOLLE/LAGNIEZ 309
17 54 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BELMONDO/MONTEIRO/ROSTAN 299
18 64 PORSCHE 911 3746T F6 KONRAD/KITCHAK/SLATER 293
19 80 PORSCHE 996 3600 F6 WOLLEK/D.MULLER/MAYLANDER 292
20 62 PORSCHE 993 3800T F6 HURTGEN/AHRLE/VOSSE 290
21 84 PORSCHE 993 RSR 3746 F6 PERRIER/RICCI/NOURRY 288
22 57 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 ERDOS/GLASEL/VANN 270
2000: 17th/18th June
CIRCUIT = 13.605km
48 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 8 AUDI R8 3600T V8 KRISTENSEN/BIELA/PIRRO 368
2 9 AUDI R8 3600T V8 McNISH/ORTELLI/AIELLO 367
3 7 AUDI R8 3600T V8 ALBORETO/CAPELLO/ABT 365
4 16 COURAGE-PEUGEOT C52 3200T V6 GROUILLARD/CLERICO/BOURDAIS 344
5 12 PANOZ LMP-1 6000 V8 RAPHANEL/O'CONNELL/KATO 342
6 23 PANOZ LMP-1 6000 V8 KAGEYAMA/KAGEYAMA/T.SUZUKI 340
7 51 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 BERETTA/WENDLINGER/DUPUY 333
8 22 PANOZ LMP-1 6000 V8 KONDO/TSUCHIYA/IIDA 330
9 53 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 AMORIM/BELTOISE/DONOHUE 328
10 64 CHEVROLET CORVETTE C5-R 7000 V8 PILGRIM/COLLINS/FREON 327
11 63 CHEVROLET CORVETTE C5-R 7000 V8 BELL/FELLOWS/KNEIFEL 326
12 52 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 DUEZ/HUISMAN/ARCHER 324
DQ 83 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 MULLER/LUHR/WOLLEK 319
13 57 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 HEZEMANS/HART/HUGENHOLTZ 317
14 60 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3800T F6 SLATER/VON GARTZEN/KENDALL 317
15 11 PANOZ LMP-1 6000 V8 ANDRETTI/BRABHAM/MAGNUSSEN 315
16 73 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 FUKUYAMA/LAMBERT/YOGO 310
17 82 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 MOWLEM/MURRY/MAASSEN 304
18 76 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 NEUGARTEN/BURGESS/COHEN-OLIVAR 302
19 3 CADILLAC NORTHSTAR LMP 4000T V8 BERNARD/COLLARD/MONTAGNY 300
20 6 REYNARD-MOPAR 2KQ 6000 V8 THEYS/VAN HOOYDONCK/ANDRE 292
21 1 CADILLAC NORTHSTAR LMP 4000T V8 WALLACE/LEITZINGER/LAGORCE 291
22 2 CADILLAC NORTHSTAR LMP 4000T V8 TAYLOR/ANGELELLI/VAN DER POELE 287
23 79 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 PERRIER/RICCI/RICCI 286
24 80 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 VERELLEN/PENDERS/DUJARDYN 285
25 32 LOLA-NISSAN B2K/40 3000 V6 MAXWELL/GRAHAM/WILKINS 274
26 36 WR-PEUGEOT LMP 2000T S4 BOULAY/TERADA/BALANDRAS 266
27 75 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 LAUER/BROCKMAN/JEANNETTE 261
2001: 16th/17th June
CIRCUIT = 13.605km
48 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 1 INFINEON AUDI R8 3596T V8 BIELA/PIRRO/KRISTENSEN 321
2 2 INFINEON AUDI R8 3596T V8 AIELLO/CAPELLO/PESCATORI 320
3 8 BENTLEY EXP SPEED 8 3596T V8 WALLACE/LEITZINGER/VAN DE POELE 306
4 16 CHRYSLER-MOPAR LMP2001 5998 V8 BERETTA/WENDLINGER/LAMY 298
5 38 REYNARD-VW 2KQ-LM 1997T S4 J.GENE/DELETRAZ/FABRE 284
6 83 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 ROSA/BABINI/DRUDI 283
7 77 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 JEANNETTE/DUMAS/HAEZEBROUCK 282
8 63 CORVETTE C5-R 6984 V8 FELLOWS/PRUETT/J.O'CONNELL 278
9 75 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 PERRIER/NEUGARTEN/N.SMITH 275
10 80 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 CHEREAU/GOUESLARD/DUMEZ 274
11 72 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 FUKUYAMA/YOGO/NISHIZAWA 273
12 82 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 BURGESS/COHEN-OLIVAR/BAGNALL 272
13 17 COURAGE-PEUGEOT C60 3200T V6 BOURDAIS/BOULLION/REDON 271
14 64 CORVETTE C5-R 6984 V8 PILGRIM/COLLINS/FREON 271
15 6 CADILLAC NORTHSTAR LMP 3977T V8 TAYLOR/ANGELELLI/TINSEAU 270
16 76 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 YOULES/WARNOCK/DAY 265
17 74 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 ALPHAND/LIGONNET/L.MARQUES 265
18 60 SALEEN S7-R 7000 V8 KONRAD/GAVIN/BORCHELLER 246
19 30 WR-PEUGEOT LMP 1998T S4 DAOUDI/TERADA/DE FOURNOUX 245
20 58 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BOUCHUT/BELLOC/MONTEIRO 234
2002: 15th/16th June
CIRCUIT = 13.650km
50 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 1 INFINEON AUDI R8 3596T V8 BIELA/PIRRO/KRISTENSEN 375
2 2 INFINEON AUDI R8 3596T V8 HERBERT/CAPELLO/PESCATORI 374
3 3 INFINEON AUDI R8 3596T V8 WERNER/PETER/KRUMM 372
4 8 BENTLEY EXP SPEED 8 4000T V8 WALLACE/LEITZINGER/VAN DE POELE 362
5 15 ORECA DALLARA-JUDD 3998 V10 BERETTA/LAMY/COMAS 359
6 14 ORECA DALLARA-JUDD 3998 V10 MINASSIAN/SARRAZIN/MONTAGNY 359
7 5 AUDI R8 3596T V8 DALMAS/ARA/KATOH 358
8 16 DOME S101-JUDD 3998 V10 LAMMERS/CORONEL/HILLEBRAND 351
9 6 CADILLAC LMP-02 3977T V8 TAYLOR/ANGELELLI/TINSEAU 345
10 17 COURAGE-PEUGEOT C60 3200T V6 BOURDAIS/BOULLION/LAGORCE 343
11 63 CORVETTE C5-R 6991 V8 FELLOWS/GAVIN/J.O'CONNELL 335
12 7 CADILLAC LMP-02 3977T V8 BERNARD/COLLARD/LEHTO 334
13 64 CORVETTE C5-R 6991 V8 PILGRIM/COLLINS/FREON 331
14 52 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 COCHET/TRELUYER/BELLOC 326
15 13 COURAGE-JUDD C60 3998 V10 COTTAZ/DERICHEBOURG/BJORK 322
16 81 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3598 F6 BUCKLER/LUHR/BERNHARD 322
17 80 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3598 F6 DUMAS/MAASEN/BERGMEISTER 321
18 50 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BOUCHUT/GOUESLARD/VOSSE 319
19 29 REYNARD-VW 2KQ-LM 1997T S4 J.GENE/SMITHSON 317
20 25 WR-PEUGEOT LMP 1998T S4 DAOUDI/BOUVET/DE FOURNOUX 317
21 77 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3598 F6 YOGO/IIDA/NISHIZAWA 316
22 82 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3598 F6 ROSA/DRUDI/RICCITELLI 315
23 68 SALEEN S7-R 6839 V8 PICKERING/CHAVES/RAMOS 312
24 72 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3598 F6 ALPHAND/LAVIELLE/THÉVENIN 299
25 51 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 CHEREAU/ROSENBLAD/LAGNIEZ 278
26 66 SALEEN S7-R 6886 V8 BORCHELLER/KONRAD/SEILER 266
Le Mans since '94
1994: 18th/19th June
CIRCUIT = 13.600km
48 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 36 DAUER PORSCHE 962LM 2994T F6 DALMAS,BALDI,HAYWOOD 344
2 1 TOYOTA 94CV 3576T V8 IRVINE,MARTINI,KROSNOFF 343
3 35 DAUER PORSCHE 962LM 2994T F6 STUCK,BOUTSEN,SULLIVAN 343
4 4 TOYOTA 94CV 3576T V8 WOLLEK,ANDSKAR,FOUCHE 328
5 75 NISSAN 300ZX 2960T V6 MILLEN,O’CONNELL,MORTON 317
6 5 KREMER PORSCHE K8 3000T F6 D.BELL,DONOVAN,LAESSIG 316
7 9 COURAGE PORSCHE C32LM 2994T F6 RICCI,EVANS,OLCZYK 310
8 52 PORSCHE RSR 3800 F6 DUPUY,PAREJA,PALAU 307
9 54 PORSCHE CUP/RSR 3800 F6 CALDERARI,BRYNER,MASTROPIETRO 299
10 59 PORSCHE RSR 3800 F6 HUYSMAN,EUSER,MATJAZ 295
11 57 FERRARI 348GT 3405 V8 ORLEANS,SALDANA,VILARINO 276
12 40 DODGE VIPER 7996 V10 ARNOUX,J.BELL,BALAS 273
13 60 ALPINE A610 2996 V6 GALMARD,POLICE,B.ROY 272
14 48 HONDA NSX 2977 V6 HAHNE,GACHOT,BOUCHUT 257
15 74 MAZDA RX-7 2616 R4 TERADA,DE THOISY,FREON 250
16 46 HONDA NSX 2977 V6 SHIMIZU,OKADA,FAVRE 240
17 68 VENTURI 400 GTR 2975T V6 SIRERA,CAMP,PUIG 225
18 47 HONDA NSX 2977 V6 TAKAHASHI,TSUCHIYA,IIDA 222
1995: 17th/18th June
CIRCUIT = 13.600km
48 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers dist.(km)
1 59 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 DALMAS,LEHTO,SEKIYA 4055.800
2 13 COURAGE PORSCHE C34 3000T F6 WOLLEK,ANDRETTI,HELARY 4046.339
3 51 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 WALLACE,D.BELL,J.BELL 4030.430
4 24 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 BELLM,SALA,BLUNDELL 3966.833
5 50 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 GIROIX,GROUILLARD,DELETRAZ 3956.324
6 4 KREMER PORSCHE K8 2998T F6 STUCK,BOUCHUT,BOUTSEN 3939.401
7 5 MAZDA DG3 1962 R4 TERADA,FREON,DOWNING 3846.505
8 84 HONDA NSX 2977 V6 TAKAHASHI,IIDA,TSUCHIYA 3746.959
9 73 CALLAWAY CORVETTE 6300 V8 JELINSKI,UNSER,BERTAGGIA 3713.295
10 22 NISSAN SKYLINE GTR-LM 2568T S6 FUKUYAMA,KONDO,KASUYA 3695.879
11 75 CALLAWAY CORVETTE 6300 V8 AGUSTA,DONOVAN,O’BRIEN 3686.061
12 34 FERRARI F40 LM 2998T V8 M.FERTE,THEVENIN,PALAU 3681.213
13 42 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 MAURY-LARIBIERE,SOURD,POULAIN 3623.945
14 27 TOYOTA SUPRA 2140T S4 MARTINI,KROSNOFF,APICELLA 3597.984
15 77 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 SEIKEL,DOLEJSI,KUSTER 3585.386
16 78 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 VAN DE VYVER,ORTION,VEROUX 3570.306
17 81 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 JONES,ADAMS,McQUILLAN 3406.099
18 41 FERRARI F40 EVOLUZIONE 2998T V8 MONTI,MANCINI,AYLES 3232.396
19 54 PORSCHE 993 BITURBO 3800T F6 KAUFMANN,LIGONNET,HANE 3124.714
20 14 DEBORA FORD LMP295 1996T S6 SANTAL,SEZIONALE,ROUSSEL 3027.187
1996: 15th/16th June
CIRCUIT = 13.600km
48 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 7 TWR-PORSCHE WSC 95 2999T F6 REUTER,JONES,WURZ 354
2 25 PORSCHE 911 GT1 3200T F6 STUCK,BOUTSEN,WOLLEK 353
3 26 PORSCHE 911 GT1 3200T F6 DALMAS,WENDLINGER,GOODYEAR 341
4 30 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 NIELSEN,BSCHER,KOX 338
5 34 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 RAPHANEL,OWEN-JONES,BRABHAM 335
6 29 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 WALLACE,GROUILLARD,D.BELL 328
7 5 COURAGE PORSCHE C36 2999T F6 PESCAROLO,LAGORCE,COLLARD 327
8 39 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 PIQUET,CECOTTO,SULLIVAN 324
9 33 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 BELLM,WEAVER,LEHTO 323
10 48 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 COBB,DISMORE,HENDRICKS 320
11 38 McLAREN F1 GTR 6064 V12 LAFFITE,SOPER,DUEZ 318
12 79 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 MARTINOLLE,KELLENERS,EICHMANN 317
13 4 COURAGE PORSCHE C36 2999T F6 ANDRETTI,LAMMERS,WARWICK 315
14 71 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 FARMER,MURPHY,NEARN 313
15 23 NISSAN SKYLINE GTR-LM 2800T S6 M.HASEMI,A.HASEMI,T.SUZUKI 307
16 75 HONDA NSX 2977 V6 TAKAHASHI,TSUCHIYA,IIDA 305
17 83 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 ORTELLI,PILGRIM,BAGNALL 299
18 77 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 JURASZ,T.SUZUKI,KUSTER 297
19 28 LISTER JAGUAR STORM 6996 V12 LEES,NEEDELL,REID 295
20 82 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 GOUESLARD,AHRLE,BOURDAIS 284
21 50 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 HELARY,BERETTA,GACHE 283
22 27 PORSCHE 911 GT2 EVO 3600T F6 CHEREAU,YVER,LECONTE 279
23 49 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 CUDINI,MORTON,SIFTON 269
24 46 SARD MC-8R 4000T V8 A.FERTE,MARTINI,FABRE 256
25 20 MAZDA DG 4 1962 R4 TERADA,DOWNING,FREON 251
1997: 14th/15th June
CIRCUIT = 13.605km (Dunlop chicane reprofiled)
48 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 7 TWR-PORSCHE WSC 95 2994T F6 ALBORETO,JOHANSSON,KRISTENSEN 361
2 41 McLAREN F1 GTR 5990 V12 RAPHANEL,GOUNON,OLOFSSON 360
3 43 McLAREN F1 GTR 5995 V12 KOX,RAVAGLIA,HELARY 358
4 13 COURAGE PORSCHE C41 2994T F6 POLICAND,COTTAZ,GOOSSENS 336
5 33 PORSCHE 911 GT1 3164T F6 LAMY,HAHNE,GOUESLARD 331
6 3 FERRARI 333SP 3997 V12 MORETTI,THEYS,PAPIS 321
7 8 COURAGE PORSCHE C36 2994T F6 PESCAROLO,CLERICO,BELLOC 319
8 27 PORSCHE 911 GT1 3164T F6 MARTINI,PESCATORI,HERMANN 317
9 78 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 NEUGARTEN,MARTINOLLE,LAGNIEZ 307
10 74 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 PILGRIM,AHRLE,EICHMANN 306
11 73 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 M,P & T MELLO-BREYNER 295
12 23 TWR NISSAN R390 GT1 3496T V8 HOSHINO,COMAS,KAGEYAMA 294
13 80 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 HUERTGEN,PRICE,ROBINSON 287
14 63 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BELL,MORTON,YVER 278
15 64 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 NURMINEN,HUGENHOLZ,GLEASON 269
16 10 COURAGE PORSCHE C36 2994T F6 EKBLOM,RICCI,LIBERT 265
17 15 MAZDA DLM MS 97 2616 R4 TERADA,FREON,DOWNING 263
1998: 6th/7th June
CIRCUIT = 13.605km
47 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 26 PORSCHE 911 GT1-98 3196T F6 McNISH,ORTELLI,AIELLO 351
2 25 PORSCHE 911 GT1-98 3196T F6 WOLLEK,MULLER,ALZEN 350
3 32 TWR NISSAN R390 GT1 3496T V8 HOSHINO,A.SUZUKI,Mko.KAGEYAMA 347
4 40 McLAREN F1 GTR 5990 V12 O’ROUKE,SUGDEN,AUBERLEN 343
5 30 TWR NISSAN R390 GT1 3496T V8 NIELSEN,LAGORCE,KRUMM 342
6 31 TWR NISSAN R390 GT1 3496T V8 COMAS,LAMMERS,MONTERMINI 342
7 45 PANOZ GT-R1 5999 F6 BRABHAM,WALLACE,DAVIES 335
8 12 FERRARI 333SP 3997 V12 TAYLOR,VAN DER POELE,VELEZ 332
9 27 TOYOTA GT-ONE 3600T V8 KATAYAMA,T.SUZUKI,K.TSUCHIYA 326
10 33 TWR NISSAN R390 GT1 3496T V8 KUROSAWA,MOTOYAMA,Mmi.KAGEYAMA 319
11 53 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BELL,DONOHUE,DRUDI 317
12 16 KREMER PORSCHE K8/2 2994T F6 AGUSTA,COPPELLI,POMPIDOU 314
13 51 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BERETTA,LAMY,ARCHER 312
14 3 FERRARI 333SP 3997 V12 MORETTI,THEYS,BALDI 311
15 24 COURAGE PORSCHE C41 2994T F6 TERADA,FREON,THEVENIN 304
16 15 COURAGE PORSCHE C36 2994T F6 PESCAROLO,GROUILLARD,MONTAGNY 300
17 64 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3800T F6 HURTGEN,LIGONNET,NEARN 285
18 69 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 NOURRY,PERRIER,RICCI 276
19 56 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 TURNER,AYLES,HUGENHOLTZ 270
20 68 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 GRAHAM,POULAIN,MAURY-LARIBIERE 268
21 55 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 AMORIM,GOMES,MELLO-BREYNER 264
22 65 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3800T F6 SCHIRLE,AHRLE,WARNOCK 247
23 72 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3600T F6 GOUESLARD,CHEREAU,YVER 240
1999: 12th/13th June
CIRCUIT = 13.605km
45 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 15 BMW V12 LMR 5990 V12 MARTINI/DALMAS/WINKELHOCK 365
2 3 TOYOTA GT-ONE 3600T V8 KATAYAMA/TSUCHIYA/SUZUKI 364
3 8 AUDI R8R 3594T V8 BIELA/THEYS/PIRRO 360
4 7 AUDI R8R 3594T V8 AIELLO/ALBORETO/CAPELLO 346
5 18 BMW V12 LM 5990 V12 BSCHER/AUBERLEN/SOPER 345
6 13 COURAGE-NISSAN C52 3495T V8 CAFFI/MONTERMINI/SCHIATERELLA 342
7 12 PANOZ LMP-1 6000 V8 BRABHAM/BERNARD/LEITZINGER 336
8 21 COURAGE-NISSAN C52 3495T V8 COTTAZ/EKBLOM/GOOSSENS 334
9 14 COURAGE-PORSCHE C50 3000T F6 PESCAROLO/M.FERTE/GAY 327
10 51 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BERETTA/WENDLINGER/DUPUY 325
11 11 PANOZ LMP-1 6000 V8 MAGNUSSEN/O'CONNELL/ANGELELLI 323
12 52 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BELL/DUEZ/ARCHER 318
13 81 PORSCHE 996 3600 F6 ALZEN/RICCITELLI/HUISMAN 317
14 56 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 HUGENHOLTZ/AMORIM/SEILER 314
15 50 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 P.,T.& M. MELLO-BREYNER 312
16 55 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 CLERICO/MARTINOLLE/LAGNIEZ 309
17 54 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BELMONDO/MONTEIRO/ROSTAN 299
18 64 PORSCHE 911 3746T F6 KONRAD/KITCHAK/SLATER 293
19 80 PORSCHE 996 3600 F6 WOLLEK/D.MULLER/MAYLANDER 292
20 62 PORSCHE 993 3800T F6 HURTGEN/AHRLE/VOSSE 290
21 84 PORSCHE 993 RSR 3746 F6 PERRIER/RICCI/NOURRY 288
22 57 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 ERDOS/GLASEL/VANN 270
2000: 17th/18th June
CIRCUIT = 13.605km
48 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 8 AUDI R8 3600T V8 KRISTENSEN/BIELA/PIRRO 368
2 9 AUDI R8 3600T V8 McNISH/ORTELLI/AIELLO 367
3 7 AUDI R8 3600T V8 ALBORETO/CAPELLO/ABT 365
4 16 COURAGE-PEUGEOT C52 3200T V6 GROUILLARD/CLERICO/BOURDAIS 344
5 12 PANOZ LMP-1 6000 V8 RAPHANEL/O'CONNELL/KATO 342
6 23 PANOZ LMP-1 6000 V8 KAGEYAMA/KAGEYAMA/T.SUZUKI 340
7 51 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 BERETTA/WENDLINGER/DUPUY 333
8 22 PANOZ LMP-1 6000 V8 KONDO/TSUCHIYA/IIDA 330
9 53 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 AMORIM/BELTOISE/DONOHUE 328
10 64 CHEVROLET CORVETTE C5-R 7000 V8 PILGRIM/COLLINS/FREON 327
11 63 CHEVROLET CORVETTE C5-R 7000 V8 BELL/FELLOWS/KNEIFEL 326
12 52 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 DUEZ/HUISMAN/ARCHER 324
DQ 83 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 MULLER/LUHR/WOLLEK 319
13 57 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 8000 V10 HEZEMANS/HART/HUGENHOLTZ 317
14 60 PORSCHE 911 GT2 3800T F6 SLATER/VON GARTZEN/KENDALL 317
15 11 PANOZ LMP-1 6000 V8 ANDRETTI/BRABHAM/MAGNUSSEN 315
16 73 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 FUKUYAMA/LAMBERT/YOGO 310
17 82 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 MOWLEM/MURRY/MAASSEN 304
18 76 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 NEUGARTEN/BURGESS/COHEN-OLIVAR 302
19 3 CADILLAC NORTHSTAR LMP 4000T V8 BERNARD/COLLARD/MONTAGNY 300
20 6 REYNARD-MOPAR 2KQ 6000 V8 THEYS/VAN HOOYDONCK/ANDRE 292
21 1 CADILLAC NORTHSTAR LMP 4000T V8 WALLACE/LEITZINGER/LAGORCE 291
22 2 CADILLAC NORTHSTAR LMP 4000T V8 TAYLOR/ANGELELLI/VAN DER POELE 287
23 79 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 PERRIER/RICCI/RICCI 286
24 80 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 VERELLEN/PENDERS/DUJARDYN 285
25 32 LOLA-NISSAN B2K/40 3000 V6 MAXWELL/GRAHAM/WILKINS 274
26 36 WR-PEUGEOT LMP 2000T S4 BOULAY/TERADA/BALANDRAS 266
27 75 PORSCHE 911 GT3-R 3600 F6 LAUER/BROCKMAN/JEANNETTE 261
2001: 16th/17th June
CIRCUIT = 13.605km
48 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 1 INFINEON AUDI R8 3596T V8 BIELA/PIRRO/KRISTENSEN 321
2 2 INFINEON AUDI R8 3596T V8 AIELLO/CAPELLO/PESCATORI 320
3 8 BENTLEY EXP SPEED 8 3596T V8 WALLACE/LEITZINGER/VAN DE POELE 306
4 16 CHRYSLER-MOPAR LMP2001 5998 V8 BERETTA/WENDLINGER/LAMY 298
5 38 REYNARD-VW 2KQ-LM 1997T S4 J.GENE/DELETRAZ/FABRE 284
6 83 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 ROSA/BABINI/DRUDI 283
7 77 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 JEANNETTE/DUMAS/HAEZEBROUCK 282
8 63 CORVETTE C5-R 6984 V8 FELLOWS/PRUETT/J.O'CONNELL 278
9 75 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 PERRIER/NEUGARTEN/N.SMITH 275
10 80 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 CHEREAU/GOUESLARD/DUMEZ 274
11 72 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 FUKUYAMA/YOGO/NISHIZAWA 273
12 82 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 BURGESS/COHEN-OLIVAR/BAGNALL 272
13 17 COURAGE-PEUGEOT C60 3200T V6 BOURDAIS/BOULLION/REDON 271
14 64 CORVETTE C5-R 6984 V8 PILGRIM/COLLINS/FREON 271
15 6 CADILLAC NORTHSTAR LMP 3977T V8 TAYLOR/ANGELELLI/TINSEAU 270
16 76 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 YOULES/WARNOCK/DAY 265
17 74 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3600 F6 ALPHAND/LIGONNET/L.MARQUES 265
18 60 SALEEN S7-R 7000 V8 KONRAD/GAVIN/BORCHELLER 246
19 30 WR-PEUGEOT LMP 1998T S4 DAOUDI/TERADA/DE FOURNOUX 245
20 58 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BOUCHUT/BELLOC/MONTEIRO 234
2002: 15th/16th June
CIRCUIT = 13.650km
50 starters
pos. no. car engine drivers laps
1 1 INFINEON AUDI R8 3596T V8 BIELA/PIRRO/KRISTENSEN 375
2 2 INFINEON AUDI R8 3596T V8 HERBERT/CAPELLO/PESCATORI 374
3 3 INFINEON AUDI R8 3596T V8 WERNER/PETER/KRUMM 372
4 8 BENTLEY EXP SPEED 8 4000T V8 WALLACE/LEITZINGER/VAN DE POELE 362
5 15 ORECA DALLARA-JUDD 3998 V10 BERETTA/LAMY/COMAS 359
6 14 ORECA DALLARA-JUDD 3998 V10 MINASSIAN/SARRAZIN/MONTAGNY 359
7 5 AUDI R8 3596T V8 DALMAS/ARA/KATOH 358
8 16 DOME S101-JUDD 3998 V10 LAMMERS/CORONEL/HILLEBRAND 351
9 6 CADILLAC LMP-02 3977T V8 TAYLOR/ANGELELLI/TINSEAU 345
10 17 COURAGE-PEUGEOT C60 3200T V6 BOURDAIS/BOULLION/LAGORCE 343
11 63 CORVETTE C5-R 6991 V8 FELLOWS/GAVIN/J.O'CONNELL 335
12 7 CADILLAC LMP-02 3977T V8 BERNARD/COLLARD/LEHTO 334
13 64 CORVETTE C5-R 6991 V8 PILGRIM/COLLINS/FREON 331
14 52 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 COCHET/TRELUYER/BELLOC 326
15 13 COURAGE-JUDD C60 3998 V10 COTTAZ/DERICHEBOURG/BJORK 322
16 81 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3598 F6 BUCKLER/LUHR/BERNHARD 322
17 80 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3598 F6 DUMAS/MAASEN/BERGMEISTER 321
18 50 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 BOUCHUT/GOUESLARD/VOSSE 319
19 29 REYNARD-VW 2KQ-LM 1997T S4 J.GENE/SMITHSON 317
20 25 WR-PEUGEOT LMP 1998T S4 DAOUDI/BOUVET/DE FOURNOUX 317
21 77 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3598 F6 YOGO/IIDA/NISHIZAWA 316
22 82 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3598 F6 ROSA/DRUDI/RICCITELLI 315
23 68 SALEEN S7-R 6839 V8 PICKERING/CHAVES/RAMOS 312
24 72 PORSCHE 911 GT3-RS 3598 F6 ALPHAND/LAVIELLE/THÉVENIN 299
25 51 CHRYSLER VIPER GTS-R 7986 V10 CHEREAU/ROSENBLAD/LAGNIEZ 278
26 66 SALEEN S7-R 6886 V8 BORCHELLER/KONRAD/SEILER 266
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[quote]Originally posted by ACR Joe:
<strong>emcon5
Your childish, woefully inept and completely ineffective diatribe convinces no one and totally substantiates my point. </strong><hr></blockquote> OK Joe, spell it out for us. Why is it so distressing to you that I (someone you have never met, and aparently have a poor opinion of) doesn't like the look of your car? Or do you simply have to leave you sense of humor back at the Dodge dealer before they let you drive off the lot?
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I hope we meet on the track some day so me and my clownshoe can give you and that poor excuse for an Aryan outhouse the automotive equivalent of a bitch slap.</strong><hr></blockquote>I addressed this back on page one, although not to you.
Tom
<strong>emcon5
Your childish, woefully inept and completely ineffective diatribe convinces no one and totally substantiates my point. </strong><hr></blockquote> OK Joe, spell it out for us. Why is it so distressing to you that I (someone you have never met, and aparently have a poor opinion of) doesn't like the look of your car? Or do you simply have to leave you sense of humor back at the Dodge dealer before they let you drive off the lot?
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I hope we meet on the track some day so me and my clownshoe can give you and that poor excuse for an Aryan outhouse the automotive equivalent of a bitch slap.</strong><hr></blockquote>I addressed this back on page one, although not to you.
Tom
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When it comes to cars people always reference what races the car has won and its racing history. I look at real life numbers on the street or at the local racetrack. I always hear about the porsche can do this, the viper don't have brakes and the z06 can't turn and has plastic interior. On the street or at the local racetrack now thats what counts.
Professional drivers and professional multi million dollar raceteams racing on world famous racetracks don't. Just my 3cents
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Professional drivers and professional multi million dollar raceteams racing on world famous racetracks don't. Just my 3cents
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You know, i am not a fan of vipers very much, mainly because they have to much power and not enough wieght in the right places. I've not been blessed with cash to say that i've driven or owned one considering that i can barely afford the 9 grand i spent on my SC. Personally i think that the viper is a massive engine, with massive wheels, and massive tires so that it has the grip to get the power to the ground. It is the perfect car for someone with a fat wallet that wants a raw car. No luxuries, no psm to save your *** in bad whether, no comfort, and i'd imagine a decent yearly price on maintenence. But on the other side of the fence, porsche has gotten really soft. They've seperated there track cars from the street cars and added a lot of luxury to try and make the "yuppy" market happy ( no offense to whoever owns one). But the difference with the viper and the let's say the comparible 996tt is the the tt can be driven everyday, even in snow. Has the low-end torque, top-end pull, sports car handling and every luxury any lazy bum would want. And from the magazines i've read, well, let's just say that unless you have a death wish, i wouldn't recommend letting the viper touch anything moist much less snow. So for an extra 40 large over a viper, you get insane reliablity (and that's not just the engine, that's everything that's reliable), good overall power, all wheel drive, and more luxuries than you probably want. Personally, i am the type that would take my car which i thought as is had too much luxury, and spend the extra cash i saved over a viper (roughly 71,000) and make it fast. I'd covert to 962 head's and cylinders (the ones that are electron beam welded), have the twin turbo charger setup from the 935, an all fiberglass body, welded in roll cage, fuel cell, 335 in the rear and 275 in the front, oh, and a **** load of testosterone. But hey, that's just me, i like the idea of over 800 hp in a 2200 pound car (sorry gentlemen, i must excuse myself as i have just gotten excited and must take care of it). 
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what what a topic... Read the whole thing just now..
It IS comparing apples to oranges here..
Vipers are raw and have nothing much then an engine to propell the car and make it fast with the help of HUGE patches of rubber.
They both of course have their pro/cons for each car.. We all already know what each does well and what they dont do..
Yeh a viper is fast. On certain tracks. They arnt an autox monster, they cant go in the wet ect.. Who is to saw a 914 isnt the faster car then a viper statement cuz here at our autox 914's chew up everything. So is the 914 the fastest car.. Of course not..
We all love our cars, we bought them for our reasons.. I never made a huge statement about my super cheap 24k wrx with some bolt-ons ans such to be a better car then a viper. Did i go everytrack day and wax everything on the track. Yes.. Did i take vipers all day with my 300hp and some suspension... Its all about what ya want. Yeh it feels good to take half the money and beat the higher cars. But ya get what ya pay for. I had no interior and pretty much just the motor and awd system that was nice.. Fortunately it made the right combo to make it fast.
Who's to say that a $3000 dollar talon with 10k of mods wont aniiliate any viper on the track. Yeh 700hp. full suspension and all done for under 15k.. Is it a better car. Of course not..
Vipers have motors
Porsche has everything...
what are YOUR priorities? <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />
It IS comparing apples to oranges here..
Vipers are raw and have nothing much then an engine to propell the car and make it fast with the help of HUGE patches of rubber.
They both of course have their pro/cons for each car.. We all already know what each does well and what they dont do..
Yeh a viper is fast. On certain tracks. They arnt an autox monster, they cant go in the wet ect.. Who is to saw a 914 isnt the faster car then a viper statement cuz here at our autox 914's chew up everything. So is the 914 the fastest car.. Of course not..
We all love our cars, we bought them for our reasons.. I never made a huge statement about my super cheap 24k wrx with some bolt-ons ans such to be a better car then a viper. Did i go everytrack day and wax everything on the track. Yes.. Did i take vipers all day with my 300hp and some suspension... Its all about what ya want. Yeh it feels good to take half the money and beat the higher cars. But ya get what ya pay for. I had no interior and pretty much just the motor and awd system that was nice.. Fortunately it made the right combo to make it fast.
Who's to say that a $3000 dollar talon with 10k of mods wont aniiliate any viper on the track. Yeh 700hp. full suspension and all done for under 15k.. Is it a better car. Of course not..
Vipers have motors
Porsche has everything...
what are YOUR priorities? <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />
