engine swap options for a 911sc?
02-28-2006, 10:55 PM
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engine swap options for a 911sc?
what bigger porsche engines will fit in a 78 911sc targa? any sources for info on these swaps? whats the biggest air-cooled engine, a 993 3.6's liter or something? hmmmm...
02-28-2006, 11:04 PM
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03-01-2006, 01:15 AM
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wow...excellent thanks guys. JackOlsen, nice vid!! is that a 3.6? What specific motor and in what year 911? sounds amazing! thats what im going for.
Instant-G's site was full of great info. The prices are actually realistic in my opinion, especially for their services.
One thing i couldn't find anywhere was comparative weight figures, ie: what would be the net gain in weight from swapping out the 3.0 for a 964's 3.6? I think i would probably go with one of these older 3.6's for sheer simplicity, as the VRAM doesn't seem to be worth it. Its all very exciting to me! Why is it that i've lost interest in the M3, which is a damn fast car in its own right but somehow doesn't give me the same feeling as this new P-car.
Instant-G's site was full of great info. The prices are actually realistic in my opinion, especially for their services.
One thing i couldn't find anywhere was comparative weight figures, ie: what would be the net gain in weight from swapping out the 3.0 for a 964's 3.6? I think i would probably go with one of these older 3.6's for sheer simplicity, as the VRAM doesn't seem to be worth it. Its all very exciting to me! Why is it that i've lost interest in the M3, which is a damn fast car in its own right but somehow doesn't give me the same feeling as this new P-car.
03-01-2006, 04:10 AM
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well, believe it or not im quite close, over in stockton (i see you're in the bay area). unfortunately, i am only in the early planning stage of doing any kind of a swap, so now's probably not a good time to sell the engine just yet. i want to drive the car as i have it for a little while at least. the 3.0 runs really strong, revs like nothing ive ever felt! what do these usually go for used, running well with aorund 100k miles?
03-01-2006, 10:55 AM
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Just a POV... but it is increasingly hard to find really good used 3.0 and even 3.2 engines... these are now going on 25 years old, so anything you would consider will already have gone through at least 1 rebuild... you are really rolling the dice here.... assuming you can find a good one, be prepared to pay $4-6K, (and you could easily get stuck with a real POS).
Used 3.6s are 10 year old engines, and re much more likely to be in good shape, so the added cost is probably offset by service life.
Just for reference a factory quality rebuild of a 3.0 is in the $8-10K range depending on how bad the core is... so the crate swap is not really all that much more expensive...
Used 3.6s are 10 year old engines, and re much more likely to be in good shape, so the added cost is probably offset by service life.
Just for reference a factory quality rebuild of a 3.0 is in the $8-10K range depending on how bad the core is... so the crate swap is not really all that much more expensive...
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03-01-2006, 02:23 PM
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very good point. In my mind, for around 15k i could do the whole thing, used 3.6, trans, maybe a brake upgrade and throw a grand into the suspension, and with an already-clean car have something really special. I think this is what i'll do when it comes time for a rebuild of my 3.0. of course, that 15k could turn my m3 into a 996 turbo-beater...such tough decisions!
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It seems to me that swapping a 3.6L might be a better bang for the buck than even a nice 930. In the end the power to weight ratio could be better, and would be one heck of a fun lil car with all that NA power on tap. >)
05-26-2007, 04:34 PM
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One of the guys in our local region has 3.6 varioram in his sc. He says all the sensors are practically useless since there is no lights on the dash for them anyway but boy does this thing haul. He has a custom exhaust on it also .
05-26-2007, 05:28 PM
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Thanks, but this article seems to indicate the 3.8 litre introduced the Variocam. What year models had air-cooled 3.6 engines with Variocam technology, and were any 3.8's air-cooled?
"For the T-series 1996 model year 993's that went into production during August 1995, Porsche deleted the 3.6-litre 272bhp motors and began fitting the 3.8-litre 285bhp Variocam units as standard."
"For the T-series 1996 model year 993's that went into production during August 1995, Porsche deleted the 3.6-litre 272bhp motors and began fitting the 3.8-litre 285bhp Variocam units as standard."
05-26-2007, 08:02 PM
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http://renegadehybrids.com/911/LS-1.html
They have a video of a swapped 911...its pretty entertaining. However if you went this direction you'd want WAY stronger rear springs because the little car's nose is trying to take off.
They have a video of a swapped 911...its pretty entertaining. However if you went this direction you'd want WAY stronger rear springs because the little car's nose is trying to take off.
05-26-2007, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LaughaC
Thanks, but this article seems to indicate the 3.8 litre introduced the Variocam. What year models had air-cooled 3.6 engines with Variocam technology, and were any 3.8's air-cooled?
"For the T-series 1996 model year 993's that went into production during August 1995, Porsche deleted the 3.6-litre 272bhp motors and began fitting the 3.8-litre 285bhp Variocam units as standard."
"For the T-series 1996 model year 993's that went into production during August 1995, Porsche deleted the 3.6-litre 272bhp motors and began fitting the 3.8-litre 285bhp Variocam units as standard."
VarioRAM is a feature found ONLY on the air-cooled engines.
Varioram was used on the '95 3.8 RS (ROW) engines and on all '96-'98 3.6's.
Hope this clarifies the confusion,....
