i have my eye on a 1983 sc coupe.
the car has no sunroof.
the car also has h4 (later style lights)
the vin number has zzz in it.

does it mean it is grey or european import?
when i bought my 3.2 it had both numbers "zzz" and also "ebo" which is usa? correct?

thanks

 

If the VIN with the 'zzz' is taken from the front luggage compartment above the gas tank, that does not indicate US or ROW coding. All body VIN's in that location are stamped 'zzz'. You need to be looking by the drivers door and use that VIN. 'zzz' there would be ROW while 'ebo' would be USA.

 

all the numbers are zzz.
are all sc's like this or is this a grey car?
should it be worth less than us car if it is r.o.w car.
thanks

 

That's a RoW car, and it should be worth less than a comparable US car. Some cars were certified and done well, some terribly, and everywhere in between. Make sure you determine where on that spectrum this car is.

One other point, which you may or may not care about: US cars had side-impact door beams from '73, but RoW cars did not have them until the '85 model year. If this matters to you, you need to determine whether the door beams were installed (and if so, whether they were installed properly). All converted cars are supposed to have them, but many don't.

 

THANKS TODD.
were all r.o.w "grey" cars?

am i understanding this correct..

if it is a "usa" car, was it ordered as such from the factory via the dealership?

if it is a zzz or r.o.w car it should have gone through all the conversions for the usa?

if this is correct i must find a car that has zzz stamped on the area by the gas tank but "instead of "zzz" there must be "obe" at the windshield post and on the title.

are my assumptions correct?

thanks for replies..

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by SPIKES:
<strong>THANKS TODD.
were all r.o.w "grey" cars?

am i understanding this correct..

if it is a "usa" car, was it ordered as such from the factory via the dealership?

if it is a zzz or r.o.w car it should have gone through all the conversions for the usa?

if this is correct i must find a car that has zzz stamped on the area by the gas tank but "instead of "zzz" there must be "obe" at the windshield post and on the title.

are my assumptions correct?

thanks for replies..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by SPIKES:
<strong>
were all r.o.w "grey" cars?

am i understanding this correct..

if it is a "usa" car, was it ordered as such from the factory via the dealership?

if it is a zzz or r.o.w car it should have gone through all the conversions for the usa?

if this is correct i must find a car that has zzz stamped on the area by the gas tank but "instead of "zzz" there must be "obe" at the windshield post and on the title.

are my assumptions correct?

thanks for replies..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">anybody with some additional comments please.

 

Spikes:

A 1983 USA model 911SC will have a VIN similar to this: WPOAA091CDS120001

A 1983 R.O.W (Rest of World) model 911SC will have a VIN similar to this: WPOZZZ91ZDS100001

The last 4 digits in both of those VIN's above will vary with each car. The last 4 digits are the build number of that model year. "0001" would technically be the first 911SC built for 1983.

These VIN numbers will be near the driver's door as Bill mentions above.

All R.O.W. cars are considered 'gray market' cars in the US. Anything with a VIN starting with WPOZZZ stamped on the driver's door pillar (NOT in the front trunk-doesn't count) will be considered a R.O.W. model.

A car ordered by a USA dealership would probably never have a R.O.W. VIN Number. I have to assume it was not hard for US Porsche dealers to obtain US model 911SC's in 1983, so the chances of a dealership bringing in a 'regular' SC coupe that was a gray market model are slim to none.

There is no guarantee that a R.O.W. model Porsche has been properly converted to US specifications just because it is over in this country. Do your homework on any R.O.W car you are interested in. DOT and EPA paperwork should come with the car to insure it was imported correctly and will pass US emmissions laws.

Hope this helps,
Jay
90 964

 

thanks JAY. appreciate the help.

 

I have a 1983SC that has no sunroof and has a vin # WPOAA,this was taken off the plate on the pillar next to the windshield on the drivers side,so I believe I have a true sunroof delete car?If so does anyone know how many of these were brought into the U.S.? Thanks for any imfo that can be provided.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><strong>I have a 1983SC that has no sunroof and has a vin # WPOAA,this was taken off the plate on the pillar next to the windshield on the drivers side,so I believe I have a true sunroof delete car?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">The VIN you have only says it's a USA model. Factory options are not recorded in the VIN (do a search as the VIN has been decoded in previous posts). If you want to check what options are on your 911, call 800-Porsche and the customer service rep will look up your VIN and tell you what options were delivered on your 911. Note they can only tell you the codes, not what they mean. There are internet sources, and Bruce Anderson has them listed in his book too.