GG Allin

All (this) talk tells me the RS America is one of the best 964s out there.

Andy Roe

Not if you live in Europe & can get your hands on an RS!

GG Allin

I agree. A real RS.

Bill Gregory

That depends on your needs and desires. The RS America is a desireable model due in part to it's somewhat limited sales, and to the perception that it's some track-ready monster for supreme track usage. Now, I'm exagerating a bit on that last part, however, many do view the suspension enhancements and weight reduction as making a more track-ready 964, and they're right. However, if your goal is to spend alot of time on the track, your money may be better spent buying a C2 non-RSA, and put the RSA premium into track upgrades, many of which you'd do to an RSA also. For someone in the US who wants to get the most performance from a stock 964, and isn't planning on significant trips to the track, then the RS America is worthy of consideration.

Bill Gregory

Jay,

Nice summary.

Trader220

Look at the prices of RS America's vs a standard 964.

JCP911S

IMHO, the RSA commands a collectors premium far in excess of its benefits relative to a C2. This is not to disparage the RSA, they are very cool cars, but if money is an object, the C2 will get you 95% there for 60% of the money.

Fact is if you really track an RSA, you will end up doing a full suspension on it anyway, so the delta between it and the C2 really goes away. Also, it is not difficult to get weight out of a C2 if you are not so worried about resale value.

Jay H

Thanks Bill!

I remember reading that RS America's ended up sitting around unsold on dealer lots when they were new since there was not much demand for them when new.

Again, not to degrade RS Americas in any way (and I wish I could have afforded one when I bought my 964), but it seems the RSA was mostly a marketing ploy by Porsche to sell a less expensive 964 ($10k less at the time). We in the US, got shafted again and didn't really get many benefits of the Euro RS model.

It's amazing to see the high resale values of the RSA as compared to a plain Jane C2 since the RS America is essentially a reduced equipment C2 with the M030 suspension. I'm also glad to see at least one 964 model has some high regard and is not stuck with the stigma of the early 964s.

Jay
90 964

Trader220

Back in Feb of 1996 when I bought my 964 speedster I found brand new ones still on dealers lots, talk about a bad sellers! Look at the prices of the Speedsters, they've held their value very well.

wdasilva

i understand that the 930 is more popular to modify because its lighter. Does this just apply to the 930 turbo, or is the naturally aspirated 930 a great for perfromance upgrades also? thanks for all your help guys

Jay H

Keep in mind that the numbers "930" refer to the 911 Turbo model that was built from (USA) model years 1976 to 1989. (However, the 930 was not officially imported into the US from model years 1980 to 1985 but it returned again to the US in model year 1986).

I believe the 930 was always just a bit lighter than a low option C2 964. Significant increases in power output can be obtained by mod'ing a 930. Porsche didn't leave too much on the table with the 964 series and you have to spend quite a bit of money to increase performance.

2002M3Drew

That's a question I've been meaning to ask...glad it came up in this thread! I have heard people refer to the "middle year" 911s, i.e. the 911SCs and 911 Carrera 3.2s as "930's", regardless if a turbo or not, saying that the "911" was the original 911, the 930 is from 74-89, the 964 from 89-93, the 993 from 93-97, the 996 from 97-04, and the 997 from 05 on. I have noticed in the Red Book that all of the engines used in the 70's-80's 911s are classed as Type 930 engines. Neverthless, in common conversation, most US people reserve the 930 label for the turbo cars. What do you think?

Jay H

The numbers "930" refer to Porsche's internal project number for the 911 Turbo (and the Turbo only). Yes, there are many part numbers that start with those 3 digits, but as far as the entire car goes, only the 911 Turbo should be refered to as the 930. A normally aspirated car built before the 1989 model year (excluding the 1989 964 C4) is strictly a 911 (with it's variants such as the 911 Carrera, 911SC, 911T, 911S, 911E, etc. etc).

More confusion come from when Porsche's marketing department called the 1976 and 1977 turbo's a "911 Turbo Carrera". The 'Carrera' part was dropped for model year 1978 and forward. Some people refer to the 964 based 911 Turbo that was built for model years 1991 and 1992 as the 965. Others refer to these turbo's as C2 Turbos.

The numbers "964" are the internal Porsche project number for the 911 Carrera built from 1989 (C4) to 1994. 993 is the internal project number for the 911 Carrera built from 1995 to 1998 and on and on. In these instances, "911 Carrera" is the marketing department's name for the 911 and the 3 digit number, such as 964, is the internal project number that gets thrown about by Porsche people wanting to be specific about a particular series of 911.

Hope this helps,

Jay
90 964

Doug&Julie

An interesting note, Porsche never called it the "930" in any official publication (outside of internal documentation). Only the Porsche community refers to it this way. To Porsche, it's always been the 911 Turbo. (..or 911 Turbo Carrera as it was first released.)

wdasilva

are there any 930 vids or soundclips that you guys know of