Turbo-Look: Worth the extra money?
10-01-2004, 05:10 PM
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G-50 TL for 24K
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1984 TL for $22K
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1984 TL for $22K
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10-01-2004, 06:26 PM
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I looked for about a year for a 911, and found a 86 converted to a widebody in florida. i was looking for that 'different car', one that stands out. My widebody gets more looks than a maked cheerleader. and I dont have to explain that to my wife. I run 295/35/18 Pzero's on the back and I cant believe how wide they are. This car runs like it's on rails, no roll at all and really a very nice smooth ride. I just think the TL is the way the Porsche 911 was meant to look. I say go for the TL, but there are some out there for a good price, not 7-10,000 more.
10-01-2004, 06:56 PM
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"the wind resistance argument just does not hold water"
- No, and that's a bad pun too. PAG published the top seed figures for the cars. Look them up.
"I say screw what other people think and buy what you like."
- Well, of course. But he asked for opinions, so I gave one. To me it can never be a purist car. I also don't like the real bulges a lot, much less the fake ones. And they are fake in the sense that there is no performance reason for them being there.
But, yes, if you like them, get them. And if somebody says something to you about function, just say "well I like the way they look, that's why I bought it." That should end the discussion.
- No, and that's a bad pun too. PAG published the top seed figures for the cars. Look them up.
"I say screw what other people think and buy what you like."
- Well, of course. But he asked for opinions, so I gave one. To me it can never be a purist car. I also don't like the real bulges a lot, much less the fake ones. And they are fake in the sense that there is no performance reason for them being there.
But, yes, if you like them, get them. And if somebody says something to you about function, just say "well I like the way they look, that's why I bought it." That should end the discussion.
10-02-2004, 03:17 PM
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If you're considering a TL, you might want to also check out: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/...urbo-LookCars/
for some other/additional opinions about TL's.
for some other/additional opinions about TL's.
10-02-2004, 07:54 PM
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If looks didn't matter, we would all drive 996's, which way outperform our cars. Personally I think the 993 and back cars look better, and the wide bodies look the best of the best! I like curves on my women and my cars 
10-02-2004, 08:10 PM
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I really appreciate all the feedback. Obviously, I need to drive (and inspect) the car and then make a more logical, rational and/or emotional choice. Ironically, the TL car is also Slate Blue with tan leather. I am getting the impression this car really is more of a collector car. If so, and thus the justification for the higher cost, then it wouldn't be too prudent of me to take the car to DE's and start pummeling on it on the inside and outside. If it's truly a "museum piece" I will pass as every ding will make me cringe and then all I've got is a "show and shine car" which is why I gave up my Corvette Pace Car in the first place.
10-02-2004, 09:33 PM
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Physics is physics. But a wider track, and brakes that shed heat more efficiently, allow TL cars to use physics for good, not evil. 
If a person's concern is with wind and rolling resistance -- i.e., straight-line speed -- then what the heck are they doing in a 911 in the first place? Welcome to the world of fender flares and lousy drag coefficients.
I went from a narrow car to a wide early car (neither factory), with the same drivetrain. The widebody allows wider wheels and tires, and is faster on the track.
Even with stock tires, it's hard to imagine why a narrow car would corner better than a wide one.
I like 'em wide.
As a side note, I think 27k is too much for a Carrera.
If a person's concern is with wind and rolling resistance -- i.e., straight-line speed -- then what the heck are they doing in a 911 in the first place? Welcome to the world of fender flares and lousy drag coefficients.
I went from a narrow car to a wide early car (neither factory), with the same drivetrain. The widebody allows wider wheels and tires, and is faster on the track.
Even with stock tires, it's hard to imagine why a narrow car would corner better than a wide one.
I like 'em wide.
As a side note, I think 27k is too much for a Carrera.
10-02-2004, 10:23 PM
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I think Jack has hit the nail on the head - if you want ultimate speed, get a corvette. Or get a Renegade V8 hybrid . The 911, even the Turbo (at least the pre 90's) are not going to win any stop light races. Heck I would say my 4k pound BMW sedan is probably faster in a stop light race. Even with high engine power these are not fast shifting cars. I have owned many cars much faster, but none I liked better than the 911.
. The 911, even the Turbo (at least the pre 90's) are not going to win any stop light races. Heck I would say my 4k pound BMW sedan is probably faster in a stop light race. Even with high engine power these are not fast shifting cars. I have owned many cars much faster, but none I liked better than the 911.
10-02-2004, 11:08 PM
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Corvettes? They taste a little like chicken.
Five tracks, five days, four Corvettes, including a well-prepped one driven by Reed Kryder, a recently-retired pro driver. One of the Z06's was supercharged to near 600 hp.
The Viper was tough, but the Vettes never got us once.
Five tracks, five days, four Corvettes, including a well-prepped one driven by Reed Kryder, a recently-retired pro driver. One of the Z06's was supercharged to near 600 hp.
The Viper was tough, but the Vettes never got us once.
10-03-2004, 12:02 AM
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This is why Rennlist rocks! If you're not a Rennlist member do so now! I'm lovin' the feedback and appreciate all the activity on this thread. Does anyone know how many of these 84 TL cars were built? I'd imagine they're pretty damn rare.
10-03-2004, 01:18 PM
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I say if you like the look buy it. Jack's right the wider bodied cars if fitted with the relevant tyres and brakes will always out handle a 911 of similar performance on the corners. For road use forget the top speed penalty it's not an issue, you're not going for a land speed record! Incidentally Porsche used this 'wide bodied look ' in the early '70s on their race cars BEFORE they started fitting turbos in the RSRs so the arguement about the car being a sheep in wolf's clothing because it doesn't have a turbo doesn't hold water. The wider track and bigger brakes are functional in helping the car achieve better cornering as well as improving the looks for those who like the wide bodied look. Personally I like both. The car was referred to as 'turbo look' in the States only, I think 'wide body' would be more correct especially as everybody uses the term 'narrow body' when referring to the N/A 911s and not 'non turbo' or 'normally aspirated'.