1974-1975 911 Black Trim?
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1974-1975 911 Black Trim?
I am trying to get information on mixed stories I hear at the PCA meet ups I attend. I have a 1974 911 Carrera Targa. My grandfather bought the car in 1975 as 2nd owners and it had black painted mirror, black contrast inside the fuchs wheels, and black on the trim around the rear glass.
Someone claiming to be an expert at an event said that in 1974-1975 the Porsche US dealers were offering a "night package" for the cars and applying black accenting only in the states but it was "official" offering from Porsche. The dealers were painting these items, but they were not coming off the factory assembly in Germany with the finish. To me if this is true it not "factory". Someone else then told me that the Targa arch color indicates the appropriate trim color from the factory and the car's trim and accenting including the wheels should be returned to the color of the arch if I want to restore the car to the official Porsche factory specs. I was told to order a Kardex, but it seems that was discontinued? Can anyone shed some light on the facts here. Much Thanks!
Someone claiming to be an expert at an event said that in 1974-1975 the Porsche US dealers were offering a "night package" for the cars and applying black accenting only in the states but it was "official" offering from Porsche. The dealers were painting these items, but they were not coming off the factory assembly in Germany with the finish. To me if this is true it not "factory". Someone else then told me that the Targa arch color indicates the appropriate trim color from the factory and the car's trim and accenting including the wheels should be returned to the color of the arch if I want to restore the car to the official Porsche factory specs. I was told to order a Kardex, but it seems that was discontinued? Can anyone shed some light on the facts here. Much Thanks!
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Burning Brakes
Well, this had to have come from somewhere. In 1973 a previous owner of my ‘69T had ALL of the chrome trim black-anodized in an addled attempt to forward-date the car. I can’t tell you how much time and elbow-grease I spent removing that junk!
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This came up recently in a discussion on vent windows. There was a window sticker presented that showed black trim as an option. It was a mid-70’s car.
I think it was over on Pelican, but not sure.
Mark
I think it was over on Pelican, but not sure.
Mark
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There are no absolutes on these cars. Additionally, this is an era of dealers doing whatever they needed to do to sell a car. Switching entire interiors, wheels, painting trim and wheels etc was commonly done. It was very prevalent if a 74 had been sitting on the lot for months and a new 75 was parked next to it. They wanted the 74 to look " modern" so they painted mirrors, trim etc to match the 75.
Have never heard of a " Night Package", certainly not listed in any documentation I have nor listed in the Snodgrass 2.7 Carrera book. . You say the trim is painted- is it painted or anodized? After 50 years, the anodization should be turning different shades of purple if original. If painted- it could be one of the few " bright trim" very early build cars that someone wanted to look modern so they painted the trim black. I have a 7/73 build 74 Carrera with bright trim, bright window switches, fabric seats, non black dashtop etc that were technically and by all documentation never sold in the US - listed on the COA and there are 3-4 known early cars like this. - its actually a 73 chassis and the " experts" at a C&C or local PCA event would say it doesn't exist/not correct. Another 74 Carrera I have with 8/73 build date is all black anodized trim, traditional black dash etc.
I responded to your DM, look forward to chatting..
Have never heard of a " Night Package", certainly not listed in any documentation I have nor listed in the Snodgrass 2.7 Carrera book. . You say the trim is painted- is it painted or anodized? After 50 years, the anodization should be turning different shades of purple if original. If painted- it could be one of the few " bright trim" very early build cars that someone wanted to look modern so they painted the trim black. I have a 7/73 build 74 Carrera with bright trim, bright window switches, fabric seats, non black dashtop etc that were technically and by all documentation never sold in the US - listed on the COA and there are 3-4 known early cars like this. - its actually a 73 chassis and the " experts" at a C&C or local PCA event would say it doesn't exist/not correct. Another 74 Carrera I have with 8/73 build date is all black anodized trim, traditional black dash etc.
I responded to your DM, look forward to chatting..
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There are no absolutes on these cars. Additionally, this is an era of dealers doing whatever they needed to do to sell a car. Switching entire interiors, wheels, painting trim and wheels etc was commonly done. It was very prevalent if a 74 had been sitting on the lot for months and a new 75 was parked next to it. They wanted the 74 to look " modern" so they painted mirrors, trim etc to match the 75.
Have never heard of a " Night Package", certainly not listed in any documentation I have nor listed in the Snodgrass 2.7 Carrera book. . You say the trim is painted- is it painted or anodized? After 50 years, the anodization should be turning different shades of purple if original. If painted- it could be one of the few " bright trim" very early build cars that someone wanted to look modern so they painted the trim black. I have a 7/73 build 74 Carrera with bright trim, bright window switches, fabric seats, non black dashtop etc that were technically and by all documentation never sold in the US - listed on the COA and there are 3-4 known early cars like this. - its actually a 73 chassis and the " experts" at a C&C or local PCA event would say it doesn't exist/not correct. Another 74 Carrera I have with 8/73 build date is all black anodized trim, traditional black dash etc.
I responded to your DM, look forward to chatting..
Have never heard of a " Night Package", certainly not listed in any documentation I have nor listed in the Snodgrass 2.7 Carrera book. . You say the trim is painted- is it painted or anodized? After 50 years, the anodization should be turning different shades of purple if original. If painted- it could be one of the few " bright trim" very early build cars that someone wanted to look modern so they painted the trim black. I have a 7/73 build 74 Carrera with bright trim, bright window switches, fabric seats, non black dashtop etc that were technically and by all documentation never sold in the US - listed on the COA and there are 3-4 known early cars like this. - its actually a 73 chassis and the " experts" at a C&C or local PCA event would say it doesn't exist/not correct. Another 74 Carrera I have with 8/73 build date is all black anodized trim, traditional black dash etc.
I responded to your DM, look forward to chatting..
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My 1974 brochure lists the Carrera model as having “All exterior trim anodized black.” The pictured car has the black trim around all the glass and black door handles. The single flag mirror and headlight trim rings are polished.
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I am trying to get information on mixed stories I hear at the PCA meet ups I attend. I have a 1974 911 Carrera Targa. My grandfather bought the car in 1975 as 2nd owners and it had black painted mirror, black contrast inside the fuchs wheels, and black on the trim around the rear glass.
Someone claiming to be an expert at an event said that in 1974-1975 the Porsche US dealers were offering a "night package" for the cars and applying black accenting only in the states but it was "official" offering from Porsche. The dealers were painting these items, but they were not coming off the factory assembly in Germany with the finish. To me if this is true it not "factory". Someone else then told me that the Targa arch color indicates the appropriate trim color from the factory and the car's trim and accenting including the wheels should be returned to the color of the arch if I want to restore the car to the official Porsche factory specs. I was told to order a Kardex, but it seems that was discontinued? Can anyone shed some light on the facts here. Much Thanks!
Someone claiming to be an expert at an event said that in 1974-1975 the Porsche US dealers were offering a "night package" for the cars and applying black accenting only in the states but it was "official" offering from Porsche. The dealers were painting these items, but they were not coming off the factory assembly in Germany with the finish. To me if this is true it not "factory". Someone else then told me that the Targa arch color indicates the appropriate trim color from the factory and the car's trim and accenting including the wheels should be returned to the color of the arch if I want to restore the car to the official Porsche factory specs. I was told to order a Kardex, but it seems that was discontinued? Can anyone shed some light on the facts here. Much Thanks!
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This is a partially correct statement - although window trim was anodized black for the bulk of the 74 carreras, the majority for the US market still had chrome headlight trim and bright drivers mirror.. Several very early Carreras ( I have one, purchased from Nathan Merz) have bright trim. There are no absolutes with these mid year cars.
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This is a partially correct statement - although window trim was anodized black for the bulk of the 74 carreras, the majority for the US market still had chrome headlight trim and bright drivers mirror.. Several very early Carreras ( I have one, purchased from Nathan Merz) have bright trim. There are no absolutes with these mid year cars.