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From: santa fe,new mexico
who cares what Loren or anyone else thinks anyhow but l have to say that when l was having a problem switching back to motronic injection from a crap aftermarket standalone on my (chipped)84 Carrera Loren tested my ECU and sent it back to me FOR FREE.not even shipping charges.That`s this guys business and he seems to be good at it too. l`m also pretty happy with my Steve Wong chip though,and that`s my business.
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KC911
As I said, the key point is:
"Advancing the timing beyond that of the '88/'89 reduces the pinging margin
without increased octane. Even with increased octane, pinging is still possible
under certain load conditions."
As I said, the key point is:
"Advancing the timing beyond that of the '88/'89 reduces the pinging margin
without increased octane. Even with increased octane, pinging is still possible
under certain load conditions."
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Originally posted by raceman77
who cares what Loren or anyone else thinks anyhow but l have to say that when l was having a problem switching back to motronic injection from a crap aftermarket standalone on my (chipped)84 Carrera Loren tested my ECU and sent it back to me FOR FREE.not even shipping charges.That`s this guys business and he seems to be good at it too. l`m also pretty happy with my Steve Wong chip though,and that`s my business.
who cares what Loren or anyone else thinks anyhow but l have to say that when l was having a problem switching back to motronic injection from a crap aftermarket standalone on my (chipped)84 Carrera Loren tested my ECU and sent it back to me FOR FREE.not even shipping charges.That`s this guys business and he seems to be good at it too. l`m also pretty happy with my Steve Wong chip though,and that`s my business.
But, oh wait...I forgot Loren is the only nerd this side of the Atlantic that can repair a 20 year old Bosch board with Atari 2600-ish technology...silly me...
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From: Monterey Park, CA
I use to own a 85 grey market cab. I can say this from driving other cars with chips. I find that chips did make a friends 84 feel as quick as my cab. However other friends who had a 88 cab with a chip was not as quick as my car. So my conclusion is that chips makes US cars more like euro DME, but had less gains in later cars. However this was back in the early 90's and programing may have gotten better. For the record my friends never had problems with the chipped cars.
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Please!
Programming has become better is marketing hype. What chip supplier told
you that B.S. There's one and only one way to setup a DME unit for various mods
& it has changed in the last 15 years, and that is by multiple tests (for each mod)
by using a dyno and not by playing with a laptop doing trial & error programming.
Let's get real.
Programming has become better is marketing hype. What chip supplier told
you that B.S. There's one and only one way to setup a DME unit for various mods
& it has changed in the last 15 years, and that is by multiple tests (for each mod)
by using a dyno and not by playing with a laptop doing trial & error programming.
Let's get real.
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The true definition of insanity is........"doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results". It doesn't appear that anyone is going to change their mind no matter who is correct.
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From: Honeoye Falls NY
Hello Loren. My name is Charles Richter. I originally posted the quote that you referenced here in the Pelican BB.
I would like to answer your question. I have run the car with the original factory chip, the Autothority chip with MAF and Steve Wong's chip. The smell at idle has existed in all three cases. Is my nose calibrated? No, it is not. That is just my assesment. The anti tamper plug over the idle mixture has been removed by the PO. I suspect that and the lack of CAT are driving this. For what it's worth, here are my impressions:
The Autothority set up with MAF was nice except for one thing; way too much noise at WOT with the open KN filter. So I sold it for $800 and switched to the oem chip and air sensor/filter. It was oem quiet. How did it run? There was a noticable flat spot coming on off of idle. Is my butt calibrated? No, it is not. That is just my assesment.
So I spent $230 or so on Steve's chip. Flat spot in torque curve gone. Period. More power than oem. Yes. Not quite as much as door #1 while at WOT, but much quieter. Am I happy with it; was it worth $230. Absolutely.
Is Steve Wong Using bull$hit technobabble to sell his product and will it shorten the life of my engine. No, I don't think so. I've read Charles Probst Book on Bosch Fuel Injection & Engine Management 2x and have taken several undergrad engineering courses on internal combustion engines. Does that make me a genius? No. It's just something that I take an interest in.
I would like to answer your question. I have run the car with the original factory chip, the Autothority chip with MAF and Steve Wong's chip. The smell at idle has existed in all three cases. Is my nose calibrated? No, it is not. That is just my assesment. The anti tamper plug over the idle mixture has been removed by the PO. I suspect that and the lack of CAT are driving this. For what it's worth, here are my impressions:
The Autothority set up with MAF was nice except for one thing; way too much noise at WOT with the open KN filter. So I sold it for $800 and switched to the oem chip and air sensor/filter. It was oem quiet. How did it run? There was a noticable flat spot coming on off of idle. Is my butt calibrated? No, it is not. That is just my assesment.
So I spent $230 or so on Steve's chip. Flat spot in torque curve gone. Period. More power than oem. Yes. Not quite as much as door #1 while at WOT, but much quieter. Am I happy with it; was it worth $230. Absolutely.
Is Steve Wong Using bull$hit technobabble to sell his product and will it shorten the life of my engine. No, I don't think so. I've read Charles Probst Book on Bosch Fuel Injection & Engine Management 2x and have taken several undergrad engineering courses on internal combustion engines. Does that make me a genius? No. It's just something that I take an interest in.
