911 SC's time has come according to Jerry
08-28-2018, 04:34 PM
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The individual example is more relevant than a blanket "this era is better than that era" answer. It's subjective. The typical statements of the maladies of middie's, specifically the thermal issue, did not effect the '74's or '75's, so really that was a '76 or '77 issue. Mag cases, broken studs, chain tensioners, etc are all issues that were shared by other line ups and addressed by most examples.
My early '74 is sunroof delete, no A/C, no radio, window cranks, no struts in the bumper (as issued), no smog equipment ever and it drives just like a long hood T but with more grunt. I love SC's, but they don't quite feel as light as the '74's. The combination of my color, July '73 build date and chock full of '73 parts that were put on it at the factory, weighing about 2250 lbs and never having the thermals is appealing to a lot of drivers. If memory serves, the production numbers of the early G's were more comparable to the F bodies than the SC's. Rust issues (pre-galvanized) were shared by SWB's and long hood's, so that really doesn't mean anything, as we can see from their jump in values the last decade. Smaller bumperette's on '74's, a "wedge shape" more akin to it's predecessors and aluminum window frames are attractive throwback elements.
Also, the California smog issue makes the '74's and '75's attractive for the obvious reasons. A gentleman I know has a black '75 in "decent condition" that he bought back in the day for $7k was approached in a parking lot last week and offered $25k on the spot for his because he wanted to rod it. And when I mean "decent", I'm being charitable. So there is a unique factor with some "lesser" examples with the hot rod market that is so hot right now.
Overall, I would agree an average SC example is better for a first timer than a middie by virtue of being cheaper to buy in a like for like condition comparison and the 2.7's are more expensive to work on generally , but mine is my first air cooled (I also have a '05 Carrera) and I bought it based on example, not one model being "better" than another. The 996's are "better" than either one and can be had for far less money.
However, I stand by statement.
From a historical perspective, I personally believe the early middie's will prove to be more "collectable" for the simple fact of being the beginning of the impact bumper era, which is the era that kicked off the 911's that most here are familiar with and their images hung on our walls as young lads.....alongside our Cheryl Tiegs and Farrah Fawcett posters.
, and that there are far less early G's out there than SC's. Supply and demand. I can find SC's all day long. 74's? Not quite as easy, especially good ones.
My early '74 is sunroof delete, no A/C, no radio, window cranks, no struts in the bumper (as issued), no smog equipment ever and it drives just like a long hood T but with more grunt. I love SC's, but they don't quite feel as light as the '74's. The combination of my color, July '73 build date and chock full of '73 parts that were put on it at the factory, weighing about 2250 lbs and never having the thermals is appealing to a lot of drivers. If memory serves, the production numbers of the early G's were more comparable to the F bodies than the SC's. Rust issues (pre-galvanized) were shared by SWB's and long hood's, so that really doesn't mean anything, as we can see from their jump in values the last decade. Smaller bumperette's on '74's, a "wedge shape" more akin to it's predecessors and aluminum window frames are attractive throwback elements.
Also, the California smog issue makes the '74's and '75's attractive for the obvious reasons. A gentleman I know has a black '75 in "decent condition" that he bought back in the day for $7k was approached in a parking lot last week and offered $25k on the spot for his because he wanted to rod it. And when I mean "decent", I'm being charitable. So there is a unique factor with some "lesser" examples with the hot rod market that is so hot right now.
Overall, I would agree an average SC example is better for a first timer than a middie by virtue of being cheaper to buy in a like for like condition comparison and the 2.7's are more expensive to work on generally , but mine is my first air cooled (I also have a '05 Carrera) and I bought it based on example, not one model being "better" than another. The 996's are "better" than either one and can be had for far less money.
However, I stand by statement.
From a historical perspective, I personally believe the early middie's will prove to be more "collectable" for the simple fact of being the beginning of the impact bumper era, which is the era that kicked off the 911's that most here are familiar with and their images hung on our walls as young lads.....alongside our Cheryl Tiegs and Farrah Fawcett posters.
, and that there are far less early G's out there than SC's. Supply and demand. I can find SC's all day long. 74's? Not quite as easy, especially good ones.
08-28-2018, 10:16 PM
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Iceman: I actually took that pic myself when I was driving it. And like type2 said, that tail appears to come from early turbo car. I think it blended in nicely.
Type2: Thanks a lot for the insights and yes it's the same car I'm trying of picking up. I also read what you said, that it's only Targa and coupe on that year, dealership made the convertible conversion a while back. Agree with all your points.
Kurzheck: I appreciate the SC comments.
Type2: Thanks a lot for the insights and yes it's the same car I'm trying of picking up. I also read what you said, that it's only Targa and coupe on that year, dealership made the convertible conversion a while back. Agree with all your points.
Kurzheck: I appreciate the SC comments.
08-29-2018, 09:10 AM
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May or may not be factory but that is the design first known as the whale tail the later 78 MY 3.3T tail was called the tea tray but many call it a whale tail.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...mentation.html
Not sure what Jerry is trying to do but there were far too many SC's made and many still around in all sorts of condition.
I have to say I preferred my SC's to the 3.2's. I always liked the SC"s although I could never go back to the quirky rebound issues associated with a torsion bar car. IMO the CIS offered better throttle response than the 3.2 motronic. A nice 3.2 build on a CIS SC is a nice ride and can produce some decent power. Otherwise they are quite similar in many ways. I am a tail person but I agree the tea tray doesn't fit the narrow body cars and the whale tail or the 3.2/RSA style tail is more in line cosmetically.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...mentation.html
Not sure what Jerry is trying to do but there were far too many SC's made and many still around in all sorts of condition.
I have to say I preferred my SC's to the 3.2's. I always liked the SC"s although I could never go back to the quirky rebound issues associated with a torsion bar car. IMO the CIS offered better throttle response than the 3.2 motronic. A nice 3.2 build on a CIS SC is a nice ride and can produce some decent power. Otherwise they are quite similar in many ways. I am a tail person but I agree the tea tray doesn't fit the narrow body cars and the whale tail or the 3.2/RSA style tail is more in line cosmetically.
08-29-2018, 11:34 AM
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I own several cars of each generation (mid-year, SC and 3.2 both 915 and G50 era) and they are all GREAT cars! Each era has its pro's and each era has it's known potential issues. The single most important factor is not the year or the model but simply the QUALITY of the actual car you own or are considering buying. People debate the merits of the various years and forget the oldest IB cars are now 45 years old and the newest 30! That means the differences between the models when they were new are more than made it up now in how it was cared for, maintained, optioned, etc. A GREAT SC is always better than a so-so 3.2 and vice versa. Key takeaway: buy a great example and enjoy it!
My favorite one is the one I am driving right now, which happens to be my 74 as I need to put some miles on it post-engine rebuild for break in. A few weeks ago I was driving my SC and in love with that, prior to that my G50.... and i haven't even mentioned the long hoods or 964/993's....
My favorite one is the one I am driving right now, which happens to be my 74 as I need to put some miles on it post-engine rebuild for break in. A few weeks ago I was driving my SC and in love with that, prior to that my G50.... and i haven't even mentioned the long hoods or 964/993's....
08-29-2018, 01:01 PM
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08-29-2018, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by cobalt
May or may not be factory but that is the design first known as the whale tail the later 78 MY 3.3T tail was called the tea tray but many call it a whale tail.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...mentation.html
Not sure what Jerry is trying to do but there were far too many SC's made and many still around in all sorts of condition.
I have to say I preferred my SC's to the 3.2's. I always liked the SC"s although I could never go back to the quirky rebound issues associated with a torsion bar car. IMO the CIS offered better throttle response than the 3.2 motronic. A nice 3.2 build on a CIS SC is a nice ride and can produce some decent power. Otherwise they are quite similar in many ways. I am a tail person but I agree the tea tray doesn't fit the narrow body cars and the whale tail or the 3.2/RSA style tail is more in line cosmetically.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...mentation.html
Not sure what Jerry is trying to do but there were far too many SC's made and many still around in all sorts of condition.
I have to say I preferred my SC's to the 3.2's. I always liked the SC"s although I could never go back to the quirky rebound issues associated with a torsion bar car. IMO the CIS offered better throttle response than the 3.2 motronic. A nice 3.2 build on a CIS SC is a nice ride and can produce some decent power. Otherwise they are quite similar in many ways. I am a tail person but I agree the tea tray doesn't fit the narrow body cars and the whale tail or the 3.2/RSA style tail is more in line cosmetically.
My buddy is replacing his P and C onnhis 3.2. Im getting his barrels. And a set of J/E pistons.
Going to retain CIS as its working flawlessly and have a 3.2.
I think its called a max morris build but im not sure.
08-29-2018, 02:51 PM
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I think the ideal would be a middie with an SC or 3.2 engine. I located a couple of these back in the spring when I was looking for one, but they always seemed to sell pretty quickly. Also, several members highly discouraged me from buying this configuration as the SC/3.2 engine would be too much power for the tranny. Any truth to that?
08-29-2018, 10:01 PM
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I actually heard that the 915 on the 2.7 was redesigned with more robust and heavier gear sets for the SC 3.0 litre
I don't know this to be fact , i just read this somewhere
GT GEARS would know for sure.
But i do know of 3.6 in SCs with 915s so i know it can take the punishment with some mods.
I don't know this to be fact , i just read this somewhere
GT GEARS would know for sure.
But i do know of 3.6 in SCs with 915s so i know it can take the punishment with some mods.
08-29-2018, 10:32 PM
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There are a myriad of changes on the 915 over the years, Google will give you a good summary. But the debate as always in Porsche circles as to which one is “best”. It depends on your application, but all will work fine behind any stock 2.7, 3.0 or 3.2. I did forget one important distinction that 72-mid77 cases are Magnesium and later cases are Aluminum, so early cases are lighter.
08-30-2018, 05:17 AM
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Gosh a lot of debate this model vs that, tail vs no tail... it’s like we are interpreting a passage from the Bible or the Constitution on here! 
A couple reason Jerry Seinfeld’s statement makes sense from my opinion:
A couple reason Jerry Seinfeld’s statement makes sense from my opinion:- The SC is a beautiful car. It’s body sweep is very dramatic.
- It’s very drivable in real day to day traffic.
- You can get on the car and have a fun, spirited ride and not be in felony land.
- The engine, after minor upgrades (pop off valve, chain tensioner and head studs) is one of the, if not the, most bullet proof engines Porsche ever created.
- No rust issues.
- The 915 is fun to drive. For me it’s more “engaging” or at least takes more driver input than my G50. Is the G50 smoother, yes, but what does that have to do with the fun of driving a sports car?
- I get thumbs ups and even notes on the window of my SC as compared to rarely never anything in my 993 Turbo. And, yes it does feel good when people give a thumbs up.
- While the CIS limits build options, it is wonderfully reliable and 90%+ aren’t going to build out their engines.
- For $40K you can have a great example that you can drive daily and get your money back once paid off, if you decide to buy a more expensive model.
- Relative to the 3.2 and later, top end rebuilds are not recurring, periodic maintenance.
- The SC saved the 911 and possibly Porsche from going extinct.
- Priced reasonably enough that the average driver doesn’t have to worry about miles, dings and chips.
08-30-2018, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DoninDen
Gosh a lot of debate this model vs that, tail vs no tail... it’s like we are interpreting a passage from the Bible or the Constitution on here! A couple reason Jerry Seinfeld’s statement makes sense from my opinion:
A couple reason Jerry Seinfeld’s statement makes sense from my opinion:- The SC is a beautiful car. It’s body sweep is very dramatic.
- It’s very drivable in real day to day traffic.
- You can get on the car and have a fun, spirited ride and not be in felony land.
- The engine, after minor upgrades (pop off valve, chain tensioner and head studs) is one of the, if not the, most bullet proof engines Porsche ever created.
- No rust issues.
- The 915 is fun to drive. For me it’s more “engaging” or at least takes more driver input than my G50. Is the G50 smoother, yes, but what does that have to do with the fun of driving a sports car?
- I get thumbs ups and even notes on the window of my SC as compared to rarely never anything in my 993 Turbo. And, yes it does feel good when people give a thumbs up.
- While the CIS limits build options, it is wonderfully reliable and 90%+ aren’t going to build out their engines.
- For $40K you can have a great example that you can drive daily and get your money back once paid off, if you decide to buy a more expensive model.
- Relative to the 3.2 and later, top end rebuilds are not recurring, periodic maintenance.
- The SC saved the 911 and possibly Porsche from going extinct.
- Priced reasonably enough that the average driver doesn’t have to worry about miles, dings and chips.
I think the 2.7 can be made a great car too if it has no rust issues and engine mitigation performed.
Then you have a solid car for those who like narrow body look and a solid car for those who like the SC fenders. 😀
08-30-2018, 03:48 PM
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Gosh a lot of debate this model vs that, tail vs no tail... it’s like we are interpreting a passage from the Bible or the Constitution on here! A couple reason Jerry Seinfeld’s statement makes sense from my opinion:
A couple reason Jerry Seinfeld’s statement makes sense from my opinion:- The SC is a beautiful car. It’s body sweep is very dramatic.
- It’s very drivable in real day to day traffic.
- You can get on the car and have a fun, spirited ride and not be in felony land.
- The engine, after minor upgrades (pop off valve, chain tensioner and head studs) is one of the, if not the, most bullet proof engines Porsche ever created.
- No rust issues.
- The 915 is fun to drive. For me it’s more “engaging” or at least takes more driver input than my G50. Is the G50 smoother, yes, but what does that have to do with the fun of driving a sports car?
- I get thumbs ups and even notes on the window of my SC as compared to rarely never anything in my 993 Turbo. And, yes it does feel good when people give a thumbs up.
- While the CIS limits build options, it is wonderfully reliable and 90%+ aren’t going to build out their engines.
- For $40K you can have a great example that you can drive daily and get your money back once paid off, if you decide to buy a more expensive model.
- Relative to the 3.2 and later, top end rebuilds are not recurring, periodic maintenance.
- The SC saved the 911 and possibly Porsche from going extinct.
- Priced reasonably enough that the average driver doesn’t have to worry about miles, dings and chips.
