Where Did The 20 HP Go?
#16
OP never asked if someone could feel 20 HP. If one cannot, one should be driving a Prius.
OP never asked anyone's opinion on whether or not he should get a tune.
Yes, I am hostile. Reading comprehension levels are at an all-time low and going lower by the second. It is almost as bad as people's ability to detect sarcasm.
OP never asked anyone's opinion on whether or not he should get a tune.
Yes, I am hostile. Reading comprehension levels are at an all-time low and going lower by the second. It is almost as bad as people's ability to detect sarcasm.
And yeah sarcasm is hard to detect online when it's all text. i dont know you as a person, i dont know how you talk normally. I can only assume you are being serious because this is the first time i've conversed with you. How do you know i wasnt being sarcastic in my comment to you? You dont and you responded with the assumption that i was being serious. But hey it's all good man. Theres no need to be hostile online, we're all here trying to enjoy the cars that we love. Whats wrong with that?
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#17
OP never asked if someone could feel 20 HP. If one cannot, one should be driving a Prius.
OP never asked anyone's opinion on whether or not he should get a tune.
Yes, I am hostile. Reading comprehension levels are at an all-time low and going lower by the second. It is almost as bad as people's ability to detect sarcasm.
OP never asked anyone's opinion on whether or not he should get a tune.
Yes, I am hostile. Reading comprehension levels are at an all-time low and going lower by the second. It is almost as bad as people's ability to detect sarcasm.
Back on topic. Joe — knock it off. Period.
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George from MD (04-28-2024)
#18
Extra ponies show up at the top of the rev band, where many people like to live with sport cars like the GT4.
My F87C flattened out at the top of the rev band. BMW added 40+hp in the F87CS and it is VERY noticeable; pulls hard all the way to red line.
Adding Dundon headers/OAPs added some appreciably significant ponies. How many ponies? Dundon claims 30hp increase, but I only have my butt dyno to offer as verification.
Either way, an extra 20 ponies would not compel me to get a GT4 over a GTS – and vice versa – given all the other factors that go into choosing one over the other . . . not the least of which is price.
Avera
My F87C flattened out at the top of the rev band. BMW added 40+hp in the F87CS and it is VERY noticeable; pulls hard all the way to red line.
Adding Dundon headers/OAPs added some appreciably significant ponies. How many ponies? Dundon claims 30hp increase, but I only have my butt dyno to offer as verification.
Either way, an extra 20 ponies would not compel me to get a GT4 over a GTS – and vice versa – given all the other factors that go into choosing one over the other . . . not the least of which is price.
Avera
#19
#20
I appreciate everyone’s input. But now, let’s all play nice!
I assumed it was software related. I also assume that if you mess with that and have an engine related warranty issue that Porsche will surely put the blame on the owner and deny coverage.
I assumed it was software related. I also assume that if you mess with that and have an engine related warranty issue that Porsche will surely put the blame on the owner and deny coverage.
#22
Yes, you significantly increase your risk of being denied a warranty claim if the car is tuned. Especially if the part that fails is directly connected to the aftermarket part/tune.
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BabyNSX (04-25-2024)
#24
Flash the engine to stock and they can't say much - but its transmission related failures that are more likely to come from the tune and they can deny coverage on that too.
#25
I have tuned most of my sports cars in the past, even my S2000(NA), with no issues to date. I just dont see the point at this time (wish the case was different) to tune a NA engine with little bang for you $$$$.... now if these knucklehead tuners priced their tunes according to other platforms.. to the range of half-1/3rd the price as most of the other cars they tune (Porsche), I might have already been tuned. I currently refuse to pay the the 718 4.0 tax.
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#26
If an owner decides to alter the product Porsche produces and warranties, why would that owner think it is on Porsche to cover the cost of failure?
Trying to ‘hide’ the tune is, at best, disingenuous. If one modifies their vehicle, they need to own it. Do not try to ‘hide’ it or hold Porsche responsible for failure.
Avera
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#27
Why would anyone try to hide a tune by ‘flashing it back’?Porsche produces an impeccably tuned machine and provides a warranty to back their product.
If an owner decides to alter the product Porsche produces and warranties, why would that owner think it is on Porsche to cover the cost of failure?
Trying to ‘hide’ the tune is, at best, disingenuous. If one modifies their vehicle, they need to own it. Do not try to ‘hide’ it or hold Porsche responsible for failure.
Avera
If an owner decides to alter the product Porsche produces and warranties, why would that owner think it is on Porsche to cover the cost of failure?
Trying to ‘hide’ the tune is, at best, disingenuous. If one modifies their vehicle, they need to own it. Do not try to ‘hide’ it or hold Porsche responsible for failure.
Avera
You will hear them say over and over and over, and document "Just remove the tune before you take your car in for service, and all will be good" . Most people think this verbiage is their get out of jail free card in the event of some sort of failure. IF this were true, all tuners would back their products with their own warranty - havent seen this without a ton of fine print, which was written not to protect the warranty holder, but the issuer.
I told the (had to) BMW SA that I had tuned my car, only for the reason that I did not want any updates performed that were not deemed necessary, as any updates would have stripped the tune from the car, and I didnt want to keep flashing.
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Avera (04-25-2024)
#28
Why would anyone try to hide a tune by ‘flashing it back’?Porsche produces an impeccably tuned machine and provides a warranty to back their product.
If an owner decides to alter the product Porsche produces and warranties, why would that owner think it is on Porsche to cover the cost of failure?
Trying to ‘hide’ the tune is, at best, disingenuous. If one modifies their vehicle, they need to own it. Do not try to ‘hide’ it or hold Porsche responsible for failure.
Avera
If an owner decides to alter the product Porsche produces and warranties, why would that owner think it is on Porsche to cover the cost of failure?
Trying to ‘hide’ the tune is, at best, disingenuous. If one modifies their vehicle, they need to own it. Do not try to ‘hide’ it or hold Porsche responsible for failure.
Avera
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#29
I NEVER try to hide the modifications I make to my cars from the dealership. There is zero value in doing so as it completely erodes trust which is your most important currency when things go south. My car is likely making 50+ more WHP than stock and I realize there is non-zero risk in squeezing more power from an already capable engine. I don't hide this fact from the dealership and the SAs have a blast when I hand them the keys and they take it for a rip.
And yeah, with a simple ECU flash with the Accessport you can have a GTS that will generate more HP than a stock GT4 - that was my point.
And yeah, with a simple ECU flash with the Accessport you can have a GTS that will generate more HP than a stock GT4 - that was my point.
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Avera (04-25-2024)
#30
Rather than hide from dealers any engine tune, the trick is to associate with an enthusiast factory authorized dealer that embraces tunes and says “don’t worry about it” when it comes to warranty work. There are many enthusiast dealers like this who would have your back and on the other hand there are many suit and tie, rigid, stiff dealers who consider tuning a crime. It just depends on location.
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