Power - how much is enough?
12-20-2022, 12:35 PM
#31
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I feel that 400-440 is the sweet-spot for the GTS chassis. The area lacking pre-tune was straight line acceleration. This is resolved post stage 2, however slightly more eager to leg go at the rear, but still in a very manageable manner.
Re the RS, different chassis and likely 500HP is a good match. Only been in the passenger seat of an RS, so can't really comment. I would think the GT4RS is easier than a GT3 on the limit. Also, NA cars are far more predictable vs forced induction.
Re the RS, different chassis and likely 500HP is a good match. Only been in the passenger seat of an RS, so can't really comment. I would think the GT4RS is easier than a GT3 on the limit. Also, NA cars are far more predictable vs forced induction.
12-20-2022, 12:52 PM
#32
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Took the mean green machine for a spin yesterday, and was once again impressed with the grunt this car has. That 414 HP will flat out getty-up. Like most here, I lust after an RS variant, with the extra (approx 80) HP and 9k redline, but is that really "needed?" As a 4rs owner pointed out, a gt4 / spyder / gts, you can usually mash the accelerator and although it can squirm (especially if on uneven surface or in a corner), it usually stays reasonably hooked up. 4rs power, however, needs to be more carefully administered, as it can and will bite you more readily (even though it is hardly a torque monster, like the turbo engines out there). These are hardly momentum cars, by any stretch, and will already circle most tracks at a seriously impressive pace.
So, how much power is enough? Is the 4L we have in our cars the "sweet spot" for power? Ample, but not dangerous / extreme? Good for both street and track?
(Yes, I know this is personal preference, but has practical aspects, so worth a chat, IMO).
So, how much power is enough? Is the 4L we have in our cars the "sweet spot" for power? Ample, but not dangerous / extreme? Good for both street and track?
(Yes, I know this is personal preference, but has practical aspects, so worth a chat, IMO).
From the many YouTube videos I have viewed all of them talk about inside cabin being LOUD !!!
Some mention don't bother ordering an upgraded audio system because you cannot hear it.
Plus, it is not like my GT4 that you can see out the rear side windows as the RS has those closed-off with the addition of the Air-Intakes.
Point being, driving on the street is Hampered ^^^
Something else that comes to me in watching and reading about GT3 owners that also have the GT4.
They like daily driving the GT4 because as you mentioned above you can Nail-the-Throttle as much and as frequently as you like.
The GT4 in comparison to the GT3 & RS on the street is much more livable and certainly much more fun as it can be driven Wide-Open.
Last comments,
However, who really would be purchasing the GT4RS for actually Street Use or as a DD ???
My opinion is not but a Very-very small percentage of people.
And those that do ..............
More than likely take it to the local Cars & Coffee and possibly Local-Car-Events.
Honestly when we look at what the majority of people paid for the RS it's a Rich-Guys TOY !!!
Terry
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12-20-2022, 01:07 PM
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12-20-2022, 01:11 PM
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Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It'll also eat tires and possibly kill you. 
Or at least get your license revoked. lol
I had a 996tt in a former life, so I am familiar with significant torque, but that is "handled" by AWD, and so a very different experience.
Or at least get your license revoked. lolI had a 996tt in a former life, so I am familiar with significant torque, but that is "handled" by AWD, and so a very different experience.
I have a Spyder and find it near perfect for street use. All of the power is available and can be used absent fear of losing the car. And its no slouch by any standard.
I also have a 1,050 rwhp street rod powered by a Procharged 454LSX platform. It will paint the street from a 35mph roll. It doesn't fully hookup on the street using Mickey Thompson 315 street slicks until 85 mph. There is no way you can open it up in a sweeping turn. It takes plenty of respect and skill to drive it at wide open throttle.
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12-20-2022, 01:37 PM
#35
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Power is always the last thing. There is a tennis analogy - what six things does the ball need to do? In order of importance:
Over
In
Deep
Direction
Spin
...and finally Power. If you dont do the first 5 really well it aint gonna matter how much power you got as you are still gonna lose! I am excited that at some point Ill drive an RS and see for myself if the rest of the car lives up to the engine, but I dont think it will, unfortunately.
Over
In
Deep
Direction
Spin
...and finally Power. If you dont do the first 5 really well it aint gonna matter how much power you got as you are still gonna lose! I am excited that at some point Ill drive an RS and see for myself if the rest of the car lives up to the engine, but I dont think it will, unfortunately.
12-20-2022, 01:41 PM
#36
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The GT3 engine in the GT4RS is obviously a huge selling point - but I think I would care more about the sound, as opposed to the power.
These cars have plenty of oomph for me. 80 BHP is likely very noticeable, but might not transcend the experience overall. The sound, though...that's on another level.
My Spyder is plenty quick, but was anemic in the sound department - that was made better by my Kline exhaust, but it's definitely annoying I had to spend what I did to "fix" it. Porsche can clearly make cars sound awesome from the factory, not sure why our GT4s / Spyders got the shaft on that front.
These cars have plenty of oomph for me. 80 BHP is likely very noticeable, but might not transcend the experience overall. The sound, though...that's on another level.
My Spyder is plenty quick, but was anemic in the sound department - that was made better by my Kline exhaust, but it's definitely annoying I had to spend what I did to "fix" it. Porsche can clearly make cars sound awesome from the factory, not sure why our GT4s / Spyders got the shaft on that front.
12-20-2022, 01:46 PM
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IMO, its intentional by Porsche, to a certain extent. First, they are trying to hit a price point with our cars, and secondly, they need to save some halo features for the top models. The addition of GPFs obviously was a pricey challenge to surmount.
12-20-2022, 01:55 PM
#38
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I tend to agree with this.
I have a Spyder and find it near perfect for street use. All of the power is available and can be used absent fear of losing the car. And its no slouch by any standard.
I also have a 1,050 rwhp street rod powered by a Procharged 454LSX platform. It will paint the street from a 35mph roll. It doesn't fully hookup on the street using Mickey Thompson 315 street slicks until 85 mph. There is no way you can open it up in a sweeping turn. It takes plenty of respect and skill to drive it at wide open throttle.
I have a Spyder and find it near perfect for street use. All of the power is available and can be used absent fear of losing the car. And its no slouch by any standard.
I also have a 1,050 rwhp street rod powered by a Procharged 454LSX platform. It will paint the street from a 35mph roll. It doesn't fully hookup on the street using Mickey Thompson 315 street slicks until 85 mph. There is no way you can open it up in a sweeping turn. It takes plenty of respect and skill to drive it at wide open throttle.
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12-20-2022, 02:05 PM
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Here is one metric, do you have to modulate the throttle exiting most corners on track?
Along the same lines...
Is T3 on Thunderbolt flat? T12? T2 on Lightning? The esses at the glen? The Kink at Daytona? The esses at Rd Atl? T7 or T13 at Rd America? Do you brake for T10 at WGI? Does the Paul Newman straight at Lime Rock feel straight?
Along the same lines...
Is T3 on Thunderbolt flat? T12? T2 on Lightning? The esses at the glen? The Kink at Daytona? The esses at Rd Atl? T7 or T13 at Rd America? Do you brake for T10 at WGI? Does the Paul Newman straight at Lime Rock feel straight?
12-20-2022, 02:13 PM
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On topic, the butt dyno has noticed a bit of difference with the uncorked OAP.
12-20-2022, 02:28 PM
#41
The GT3 engine in the GT4RS is obviously a huge selling point - but I think I would care more about the sound, as opposed to the power.
These cars have plenty of oomph for me. 80 BHP is likely very noticeable, but might not transcend the experience overall. The sound, though...that's on another level.
My Spyder is plenty quick, but was anemic in the sound department - that was made better by my Kline exhaust, but it's definitely annoying I had to spend what I did to "fix" it. Porsche can clearly make cars sound awesome from the factory, not sure why our GT4s / Spyders got the shaft on that front.
These cars have plenty of oomph for me. 80 BHP is likely very noticeable, but might not transcend the experience overall. The sound, though...that's on another level.
My Spyder is plenty quick, but was anemic in the sound department - that was made better by my Kline exhaust, but it's definitely annoying I had to spend what I did to "fix" it. Porsche can clearly make cars sound awesome from the factory, not sure why our GT4s / Spyders got the shaft on that front.
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12-20-2022, 02:34 PM
#42
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I tend to agree with this.
I have a Spyder and find it near perfect for street use. All of the power is available and can be used absent fear of losing the car. And its no slouch by any standard.
I also have a 1,050 rwhp street rod powered by a Procharged 454LSX platform. It will paint the street from a 35mph roll. It doesn't fully hookup on the street using Mickey Thompson 315 street slicks until 85 mph. There is no way you can open it up in a sweeping turn. It takes plenty of respect and skill to drive it at wide open throttle.
I have a Spyder and find it near perfect for street use. All of the power is available and can be used absent fear of losing the car. And its no slouch by any standard.
I also have a 1,050 rwhp street rod powered by a Procharged 454LSX platform. It will paint the street from a 35mph roll. It doesn't fully hookup on the street using Mickey Thompson 315 street slicks until 85 mph. There is no way you can open it up in a sweeping turn. It takes plenty of respect and skill to drive it at wide open throttle.
12-20-2022, 02:52 PM
#43
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Based on current emissions and safety standards, the sweet spot IMO is 500bhp NA with a close ratio 6MT.
I'll rather take more responsive gears shifting coupled with a much much lower top speed at 250km/h instead of theoretical top speed that can never be legally used unless you live in Germany.
I'm going to ruffle feathers here, the 6MT in both the GT4 and GT3 Touring are just too tall.
I'll rather take more responsive gears shifting coupled with a much much lower top speed at 250km/h instead of theoretical top speed that can never be legally used unless you live in Germany.
I'm going to ruffle feathers here, the 6MT in both the GT4 and GT3 Touring are just too tall.
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12-20-2022, 02:55 PM
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