golovorub

Hello there!

A lot of people here compare GTS 4.0 to C2S, the general consensus being that lighter package, smaller size and this engine make Cayman/Boxster a better sports car than 911.
My problem here is that I want to track my car at least occasionally, and I just can’t fit with a helmet. In my BGTS, I’m at least 1’’ over the rollover bars, which doesn’t seem acceptable.

Without a helmet, I have at least 1.5’’ headroom in C2S, but I really dislike the manual transmission in that car and getting it with a PDK doesn’t make it special enough for me.
Which brings me to a 992 TT - it has the amazing power and is more versatile. But I’m afraid I’ll get bored of instant torque and will start missing the “top down” experience.
I can’t have 2 sport Porches, so need to choose one - thoughts?

Xxyion

Couldn't you get a GTS Cayman 4.0? I know its just a change of top but wasn't sure how badly you needed to keep the top down option. Another option is getting an aftermarket Roll bar installed so you can pass the broomstick test.

josephr25

I was at PECLA and got a free ride in a 992 Turbo S. I told him I had a GT4. The driver (instructor) said that his "bosses probably won't like this, but I'd rather drive the GT4 than this."

golovorub

Is interior height same between C2S and Cayman? I suspect having more space behind also allows more room for adjusting the seat.

GrantG

If you want to move to a 911 for track, I strongly suggest a GT3 instead of a TT.

momo360

GT3 is kind of unobtainium these days, also how many people have the skill to extract every ounce of performance from a modern GT3? A TT would be just fine on track. Tbf any 911/718 with performance options would be great for casual track use.

GrantG

Sure, any of these cars could be fun on track. But the GT3 is the most fun and is the most resilient with track use. We're not specifically talking about being able to extract 100% from the GT3 (few people can do that with a base Boxster), it's about having the most fun, safely, and reliably and having a car that suffers little wear or depreciation by using it as it was designed.

While I love the 992 GT3, any generation of GT3 is a great choice.

TRZ06

The biggest difference (aside from the engine) between the GT3 and a non-GT 911 is the suspension bushing sets. GT3's will be sharper and more direct because it has solid attach points. The TT will not be as direct or sharp.

manifold danger

Get a 992 GTS over a Turbo.

A GTS will likely be the better track car and almost just as fast. Sound will be much better too, and save 50-100k. Wait could be a pain though from what I hear.

My caveat is that I personally just don't get the Turbo. It seems that the power makes it one-dimensional. Even though it has all the trappings of a 911 and is surely capable, it just seems that the power (and not great sound) would wear thin after a while and you're left with a crazy expensive car that isn't as fun to drive as its much less expensive siblings.

I also get that GT3s are hard to come by these days, but as someone implied above, a 991 GT3 would still be a far better option than a 992 Turbo, especially for track use.

And if the GTS with PDK still isn't special enough... have you driven a 992 with the 8 speed PDK? It's different. That transmission is magical; significantly better than the 7 speed PDK, and that transmission is also great. (This is also assuming you're already aware the Turbo isn't available with a manual since the 997...)

Zhao

I know there are many people tracking TT's on rennlist but it would be easier IMO to extract the performance out of a GT3 than a TT. Consistency and confidence is what I like to have on the edge. The turbo also needs modifications to make it a track car IMO, or it's going to run into big issues with chewing through big money on wear and tear components.

golovorub

After trying 992’s manual recently, I’m sure I don’t want it, even in a Turbo. And no, I didn’t have a chance to try an 8 speed PDK.
As for the GT3, it’s too hardcore, my wife won’t be happy, which is an important factor.
Will think about 911 GTS, but I don’t think a well specked one is much cheaper than Turbo, especially with me willing to wait a year or so (with hope ADMs are going away - personal opinion, please don’t switch topics )

josephr25

Last I heard 992 GTS has 20K markup with 2 year wait. That was around spring time though.

GrantG

That is going to be very dependent on the dealer.

manifold danger

I get the ADM discussion is tired and many threads devoted to it, but rumor has it they will persist and have gotten worse, so it is pertinent if cost is at all a factor (I honestly don't know if Turbos are getting hit with ADM- if not that should tell you something anyway).

In any case, even with a $25k ADM on a well spec'd GTS, you're still about on par of the base price on a new Turbo with zero options (disregarding the Targa). The GTS I had spec'd out came in at about $160k, all it was really missing was Burmester and PCCB. The Turbos are just SO damn expensive.

And I maintain (and so do many others), the GTS is a better car.

Still though, if cost is at all a factor there are probably other routes to take for your BGTS. You'd still come out way ahead of your other options (i.e., you could just buy a whole *** other car) if you figure out a way to fit in your Boxster. Have you tried the 2-way seats or LWBS? Supposedly they're a few inches lower than the 14 and/or 18 ways- and I can validate that to some degree because I had to buy my wife a damn booster seat for the 2-ways in my 718 BGTS and she had no such problem in the 18-ways in my 981 BGTS or 991.2 C2S...

Worth a shot?

Dr.Bill

Personally, I'd select any naturally aspirated 911 over any turbo 911.
Every one of the dozens of 911 variants is also available as a convertible if that's your thing.

Or maybe try a Cayman? Not sure if they have more head room than a Boxster. 2-way seats can get lower than the 18-ways, another consideration.
Try to keep the mid-engine sports car if you can.