Mr.Brick

Here another fake lap following a Gt3 RS WP

Mr. Adair

Speaking for myself I did not change the resolution to a higher quality. Clearly I should have!

TRZ06

Porsche just gives the Cayman platform crappy PASM damping. If they would just look at the damping curves that MCS or KW uses, the Cayman platform would be a lot better.

There is a huge difference in the cars composure when fitted with proper high-end dampers, it just baffles my mind that with all their testing and R&D on the Ring that these are the damping curves they selected, it has to be the Cayman Complex at play, or their suspension tuning engineers really do suck.

rost12

Were you also on the DN days before MR day? I think I saw your car, Italian plates?

Amazing laps, one day I hope to drive like that!

PS - no doubt your footage is real

Mr.Brick

very interesting to know…

Mr.Brick

Yes it was me … thank you mate

welikethetrack

Maybe they’re just trying to make the car have way more character and fun

my 991.2 gt3rs was so good it was almost boring lol

Warwick Morris

You're a great driver and very good vids to watch. I was genuinely surprised how little difference 100 bhp made with the .2 3 RS performance in a car that was obviously well driven too. I would have expected a substantial gain out of the slower corners and elsewhere too.

Underblu

Great driving
I wonder what the guy in the GT3 RS WP was thinking with you on his tail like that despite his 100 extra horses, a whole lot more downforce and a multilink rear setup. This clearly shows despite the complaints of a few on this forum that the 718 Spyder/GT4 is an incredibly capable platform when skillfully driven.

Underblu

Crappy, Really? still complaining about the suspension of a car that just pulled a 7.17 on the Ring by highly talented driver. This clearly proves that the 718 is an incredibly capable platform when driven skillfully, surpassing cars with double wishbone, multilink, magnetorheolgical etc, setups. Mr. Brick and the reviewers got it right about the GT4/Spyder. Want to go fast with minimal drama. I’d highly recommend the latest Mclaren. But you wont get that flat 6 wail or a car that feels alive rather than a part of a video game

Afaic, anyone who needs more than what’s on tap in the 718 Platform should be as skillful as the OP. Driving lessons and track time to understand the 718 dynamic envelop would be better spent than thousands in suspension upgrades. And you mentioned you’re driving on the street. While I’m sure we all enjoy enthusiastic driving, pushing any car to 10/10ths on the street where these “suspension improvements” might bare some dividends strikes me as irresponsible. At 7/10ths or even 8/10ths, I don’t think there are many cars as capable and fun as the GT4/Spyder for back road / canyon romps

Bravo to the OP Mr. Brick for that brilliant Nordschliefe time!

TRZ06

Lap times are one thing, how a car feels while getting there is more important to me, than actually getting that lap time, but that is just me as I am not a race car driver. And yes, I would choose a less drama McLaren that goes fast if I could afford one, but that is what I value in a sports car. I prefer a well sorted car than one that is on the raged edge and a hand full. Also keep in mind that I have no issues with the stock GT4 suspension on smooth roads, it was a dream when the roads were good. It when you throw in dips, bumps, undulations, and broken pavement that it fell apart.

In regards to the street, I never drive at 10/10ths on the street when carving up a back road. The only time I am close to 10/10th of grip are on my few select on/off ramps that I know well and only when I am the only car on it, and even then I am probably really only at 8.5 to 9/10ths as the stability control system never engages and the car is not sliding at all.

Also, with my current set-up the car is pretty damn good now most of the time and confident inspiring, which it was not stock.

KelvinC

TRZ06 has a use case for his GT4, and speaks his truth. I don't agree with his opinion, but that's okay. I give him a lot of credit for actually buying the car, and doing everything he can to tune it to his liking. He has a right to his criticism. But I agree that blanket statements like "crappy", based on one's personal experience is certainly not representative of everyone's experience.

I live in the Bay Area, and I drive on mountain roads and use my car on the street. My GT4 was also purchased as a car to enjoy on track, which is where I believe GT cars are designed and engineered for, first and foremost. Smooth roads? Yes. I have no suspension complaints, and there are plenty of GT4s that put in stellar times on our local tracks.

A pro driver in our community of enthusiasts also recently just came back from a few days driving both the 992 GT3 and GT4 RS on Spa and Nurburgring, and preferred the GT4 RS. Doesn't mean it's better...or worse. Everyone has their own preferences.

TRZ06

Yes, I edited my post. On smooth roads, I had no complaints, but since you are in the Bay Area, roads like HWY 87 and parts of 880 in SJ made the stock car very unsettled at speed.

Here is a specific one for ya... Northbound 101 to HWY 85 junction, has a bump on the sweeper that most cars take at around 70 MPH. With the stock suspension when I hit that bump, the rebound would fully extend hit the stops and there was a lot of side load motions from the rear.

KelvinC

I suppose I never really push the car "at speed" on freeways to a point where I need to be concerned about suspension compliance. It's mostly pretty boring stuff and one would have to be pushing pretty damn hard to get a thrill on a freeway to unsettle the car.

But your use case is different than mine. I hope you will be up to bringing your car on track someday...it's really a great way to enjoy your GT car. With the right organization, it's a great feeling of camaraderie and respect just being out there...everyone trying to get smoother, faster, and (for some), improving their times. I know it's not for everyone, but it's an environment where GT3s and GT4s really shine.

Underblu

I by-in-large agree with your post.

I didn’t mean to come across as harsh and yes, TRZ06 has the right to his opinion. I also appreciate his numerous very well written posts where he shares with us the modifications he’s made to his GT4. I even concur that the rear end of the Spyder can be a bit lively under hard braking. Where I disagree and offer a counterpoint is his inferences that the 718 is somehow a second rate platform with a subpar or “crappy” suspension. It’s also hard for me to imagine how you are going to use up the GT4/Spyders grip on the street.

Many years ago I had an 84 Targa. It was not an easy car to drive fast but if you understood it’s dynamic envelope you could use some of its “less desirable” characteristics to your advantage especially around corners where a little induced oversteer could give you a better line. The Spyder/GT4 is much easier to drive fast. If it shares some rawness with these air cooled cars maybe that’a actually a good thing. The numbers it can put up in the hands of skilled driver prove its overall brilliance quite strongly.