Pete C

Just get the 8’s, you’ll be happy!

Avera

@dnimi123

So, I did some reading you requested

Admittedly, I am driver with little mechanical insight, so my questions will likely seem very rudimentary to you

I have no idea what rear toe links achieve, whether Tarrett or RSS?

I mean, I gather they will improve 'handling' but would they do so in any noticeable manner for a guy like me who is nothing more than someone who enjoys daily spirited driving?

You have made it simple. Get rear toe links and have front/rear camber set to -2.0. I assume Porsche dealer could perform both of these tasks but, again, would this have a dramatic impact on my perception of handling for spirited daily driving?

Thank you in advance for your feedback.

Avera

Avera

Thank you everyone who contributed to this thread and toward helping me make a decision regarding spacer for my 718 GT4

After all the excellent feedback and consideration, I decided to go with the Future Classic 7mm spacers for the front only.

I realize this whole process is a 'first world matter' that should not consume as much time as has been spent . . . I guess this is what car enthusiasts do with our extra time.

I will have the spacers installed once they arrive and take some pics for any future enthusiast with similar interest.

Avera

dnimi123

So basically there all sorts of parts that make up the suspension like chassis, wheels, shocks, springs and various other linkages with control arms, ball joints, etc... From the factory the GT4 in the rear comes with a fixed length linkage. This limits how far you can adjust the rear camber. You need a new part thats adjustable to get to negative 2.0 in the rear. Yes it will have a favorable, dramatic and very noticeable impact on the handling of the car as you can imagine the tires on less negative camber will lose traction very easily as you take turns and drive spiritedly because the wheels will move in ways that are not desirable. More neg camber keeps more of the tire on the road the faster and steeper the turns. I dont recommend having the dealership do this. You should find a local porsche shop that specializes in suspension and alignment performance upgrades. If you post where you are located you will likely get a dozen referrals in your area. Anyway its not a major investment nor is it a major mechanical endeavor and should take a couple hours to install and align the car. Even if you do not get the toe links you should have the car aligned properly as the alignments from the factory have been known to be all over the place. The chassis on this car is so good that a bad or off alignment really ruins the handling. Try it!

dnimi123

@Avera I see you are in Florida. Depending where exactly... there is no shortage of amazing Porsche suspension/alignment specialists. @BGB Motorsports is one of the best on all the country, maybe even the world and they LOVE Caymans!

Avera

@dnimi123

Wow! You have been gracious with your time insights . . . thank you very much.

One more question . . . if I did not get the rear toe links and just told the dealer to get the camber as close to -2.0 as possible in both front and rear, do you feel that would be an adequate starting point?

In a prior post you indicated the rear camber is limited by the stock toe links, hence, I should get the toe links to get the rear camber to -2.0. I am just curious how close I can get to -2.0 in the rear with the stock suspension? I am also assuming the front can get to -2.0 camber with stock setup.

I will check out BGB Motorsports

Thank you again

Avera

Edit: BGB Motor Sports is about 1 hour from my home

vtplm

It'a not that the toe links limit camber per se, but once you have too much negative camber the stock toe links don't have enough adjustment to get the toe back to where you want it since toe will change when camber changes.

Avera

Thank you vtplm

Do you happen to know the maximum negative camber the stock toe links can reasonably handle?

The reason I ask is because I wanted to start out by maximizing the negative camber the front and rear can handle to assess whether I can appreciate a difference from my current setup . . . which @dnimi123 has stated could be just about anywhere.

I might find that my current setup is -1 up front and rear, and getting them both to -1.5 would theoretically make a significant difference?

I am assuming I want the front and rear camber to be matched which, according to discussion, means the rear toe links would be the limiting factor. . . hence, I asked if you know the maximum negative camber the stock toe link can reasonably handle?

Thank you again

Avera

StormRune

The maximum we were able to get in the rear with stock parts on my GT4 was -1.55 degrees while still keeping acceptable toe (22 minutes total toe). This is in the ballpark of what others have reported, although I have seen a little higher at times. The fronts ended up at -2.35 degrees but we were trying to keep it from getting too far away from the rears. It's common for front to be higher than rear.

The rear was already at -1.4 degrees from the factory so that wasn't really a big increase.

You might want to browse through the fairly informative thread here: https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...knowledge.html

Avera

Thank you Storm

I did take a look at the thread you referenced, as well as others

As you state, it seems the max camber one can safely achieve with stock rear toe links is -1.5 to -1.6

It was also suggested that you want to keep the front and rear camber within 0.5 of one another . . . so, if I were to get the rear camber to -1.5 with stock toe links, that suggests I should shoot for -2.0 up front.

As @dnimi123 stated early on, most suggest just getting the rear toe links and shooting for -2.0 in the rear the rear and -2.5 up front.

I will discuss all of this with my local Porsche dealership and/or BGB Motor Sports to get an idea of whether I want to optimize stock setup or optimize with rear toe links . . . again, my interest pertains to spirited daily driving and not the track.

Thank you again

Avera

Avera

@dnimi123



Eager to get FC 7mm spacers installed and have an appointment next week at dealership.



Tried to inquire with service agent about placing aftermarket rear toe links at the same time with alignment.



To the point, the service agent was baffled as to why I wanted aftermarket toe links and was not sure it was something they could/would do . . . ‘I will have to get back to you’ is where I stand.



BGB Motor Sports is an option, but they have yet to get back with me, and it is a bit of travel that would require some coordinated planning on my part.



So, I am turning to the experts for advice which, more often than not, are forum members like yourself.



My understanding after reading forum threads is that the limiting factor with the stock setup is rear camber. I believe -1.5 is the limit. I also read that you do not want to have the front/rear offset by more than 0.5. As such, the maximum up front on the stock set up would be -2.0.



I know it is not exactly what you advised, but I am doing the best I can under the circumstances. Again, other forum members have stated a noticeable improvement after optimizing the stock alignment (including camber), however, I do not know what ‘optimal’ camber implies . . . I applied some reason and concluded -2.0 front and -1.5 rear is optimal for the stock setup.



Do you agree and/or have further thoughts on the matter?



Thank you in advance



Avera

Edit:As follow-up, I just spoke with AJ at BGB Motor Sports . . . great guy!!



AJ indicated they just installed their last set of rear toe links and – given the times – he is uncertain when more will be available.



So, for now, I am going to stick with trying to optimize the stock set up . . . hopefully, sometime in the near future I can make the next step with rear toe links.

Avera

FC 7mm spacers in front and alignment performed

Regarding spacers I could show a pic, but it would be underwhelming in terms of the ability for a photo to capture the 'improvement'

That stated, in person, the impact is very satisfying to me

It is not the amount of poke, rather, the improvement in too much stock recess

Another point of visual reference . . . the rear wheels have a much deeper concavity compared to the front. Hard to explain, but no matter how far out you poke the front wheels/tires, something about the lack of significant wheel concavity is underwhelming . . . at least to me.

Overall, what I can say is that the FC 7mm spacers up front turned out very satisfactory. I do not think more poke would give more satisfaction than 10 or 12 or 15mm spacers. Again, something about the wheel concavity - or lack thereof - is a visually limiting factor.

Regarding alignment, I had the technician maximize the limiting factor, which is the -1.5 to -1.6 rear camber with stock toe links. Everything else was optimized off the rear camber. The car handles great but, to be honest, I cannot tell a difference from the pre-alignment/front spacer placement.

On to the next first world problem . . .

Avera

dnimi123

Great! Drive the car awhile, push it around and then decide. The car is good as is, but is itching to be better! BGB are the ones to go see when you are ready... Good Luck!

DerekHK

Hi guys,

I was wondering if anyone could help me out here. I ordered and paid for the 5mm spacers from Future Classic. However, I haven't received my item and I tried emailing them a few times and can't seem to be able to get a response. I was just looking at their Instagram and seems like it's happening to a few other people as well. Anyone from the US can get in touch with them and see what's going on? Thanks in advance!

Derek

Clark_Kent

Same happened to me. I ordered on 11/22 and have received no merchandise and they're not responding to communications. I tried email, IG, and even sent a message to the owner on LinkedIn. Hit them with the CC chargeback and move on.