Can't decide! 718 GTS, 718 Spyder or 718 GT4?
03-07-2022, 10:07 AM
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What little area behind the seats? I have a GTS 4.0...there's no space whatsoever behind the seats. (the seat backs touch the engine wall compartment)
03-07-2022, 10:08 AM
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Do you even own/have owned a GT4 because I can tell you this is all absolute nonsense…
His described use case is the exact reason a GT4/Spyder should be top consideration. I have several GT cars and the GT4 is the most compliant and streetable of the bunch. This not some hardcore track car. It’s very much a street car that you can take to the track. This is not the RS.
As far as the washing complaint… My 997 and 991 GT cars all shared the same vent and I have never heard of this being a legit complaint lmao… The fact this is on the “do not buy” reason list just shows how much people are grasping for straws to discount the validity of the GT4/Spyder in order to feel good about their decision not to buy one
His described use case is the exact reason a GT4/Spyder should be top consideration. I have several GT cars and the GT4 is the most compliant and streetable of the bunch. This not some hardcore track car. It’s very much a street car that you can take to the track. This is not the RS.
As far as the washing complaint… My 997 and 991 GT cars all shared the same vent and I have never heard of this being a legit complaint lmao… The fact this is on the “do not buy” reason list just shows how much people are grasping for straws to discount the validity of the GT4/Spyder in order to feel good about their decision not to buy one
The differences between the GTS and the GT4 are all about comfort for road use vs track use (including removing the unnecessary-for-street-use wing). The GTS was made for exactly what the OP is looking for - weekend toy, back roads, driving around town. Are you telling me the GT4 is better for those use cases? And I believe the 991.2 is even better, for about the same money, AND allows him to put his 5 year old in the back seat for some my-dad's-got-a-racecar fun.
OP is considering not getting the Spyder because he doesn't like the manual top. I'm making the assumption that he might also not like water from the smile vent schpritzing his freshly washed car on his first drive out, requiring him to re-wipe down the front half of his beautiful GT4. I don't think that's a stretch.
FWIW, see my avatar pic? That's me at Watkins Glen doing 135 at the top of the esses. I have a GT4. The GT4 is the PERFECT street/track car for me. I can take it to the grocery store, go straight to the track with the appropriate safety equipment installed, and then throw my golf clubs in the back for a weekend round. But I can tell you, if I wasn't tracking it, I'd be in a 991.2 all day.
Of course - you do you, and OP will do OP. But this thread is about opinions. This one is mine.
03-07-2022, 10:09 AM
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It depends on where one positions the seats but regardless, there is only room for a couple of smooshed ballcaps and a towel for wiping stuff off.
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03-07-2022, 10:13 AM
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too stiff ?
My first impression on the Spyder was, "WOW, this suspension is way more comfortable than my Boxster with X73", if the GTS has even more comfort, I probably would have ended with an Final Edition Exige 😜
And the "smile" washing dilemma, had it once, not a big deal (not even when driving topless) but a Blo car dryer solves this.
No brainer = 25 year edition of Boxster (it's kind of special too).
My first impression on the Spyder was, "WOW, this suspension is way more comfortable than my Boxster with X73", if the GTS has even more comfort, I probably would have ended with an Final Edition Exige 😜
And the "smile" washing dilemma, had it once, not a big deal (not even when driving topless) but a Blo car dryer solves this.
No brainer = 25 year edition of Boxster (it's kind of special too).
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03-07-2022, 10:26 AM
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too stiff ?
My first impression on the Spyder was, "WOW, this suspension is way more comfortable than my Boxster with X73", if the GTS has even more comfort, I probably would have ended with an Final Edition Exige 😜
And the "smile" washing dilemma, had it once, not a big deal (not even when driving topless) but a Blo car dryer solves this.
No brainer = 25 year edition of Boxster (it's kind of special too).
My first impression on the Spyder was, "WOW, this suspension is way more comfortable than my Boxster with X73", if the GTS has even more comfort, I probably would have ended with an Final Edition Exige 😜
And the "smile" washing dilemma, had it once, not a big deal (not even when driving topless) but a Blo car dryer solves this.
No brainer = 25 year edition of Boxster (it's kind of special too).
03-07-2022, 10:30 AM
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Why the hostility, phow? The man asked for opinions. I gave him one. That's what "IMHO" means. You sound like someone trying to justify your own questionable decision.
The differences between the GTS and the GT4 are all about comfort for road use vs track use (including removing the unnecessary-for-street-use wing). The GTS was made for exactly what the OP is looking for - weekend toy, back roads, driving around town. Are you telling me the GT4 is better for those use cases? And I believe the 991.2 is even better, for about the same money, AND allows him to put his 5 year old in the back seat for some my-dad's-got-a-racecar fun.
OP is considering not getting the Spyder because he doesn't like the manual top. I'm making the assumption that he might also not like water from the smile vent schpritzing his freshly washed car on his first drive out, requiring him to re-wipe down the front half of his beautiful GT4. I don't think that's a stretch.
FWIW, see my avatar pic? That's me at Watkins Glen doing 135 at the top of the esses. I have a GT4. The GT4 is the PERFECT street/track car for me. I can take it to the grocery store, go straight to the track with the appropriate safety equipment installed, and then throw my golf clubs in the back for a weekend round. But I can tell you, if I wasn't tracking it, I'd be in a 991.2 all day.
Of course - you do you, and OP will do OP. But this thread is about opinions. This one is mine.
The differences between the GTS and the GT4 are all about comfort for road use vs track use (including removing the unnecessary-for-street-use wing). The GTS was made for exactly what the OP is looking for - weekend toy, back roads, driving around town. Are you telling me the GT4 is better for those use cases? And I believe the 991.2 is even better, for about the same money, AND allows him to put his 5 year old in the back seat for some my-dad's-got-a-racecar fun.
OP is considering not getting the Spyder because he doesn't like the manual top. I'm making the assumption that he might also not like water from the smile vent schpritzing his freshly washed car on his first drive out, requiring him to re-wipe down the front half of his beautiful GT4. I don't think that's a stretch.
FWIW, see my avatar pic? That's me at Watkins Glen doing 135 at the top of the esses. I have a GT4. The GT4 is the PERFECT street/track car for me. I can take it to the grocery store, go straight to the track with the appropriate safety equipment installed, and then throw my golf clubs in the back for a weekend round. But I can tell you, if I wasn't tracking it, I'd be in a 991.2 all day.
Of course - you do you, and OP will do OP. But this thread is about opinions. This one is mine.
I own a GT4 as well as other GT cars and non GT 911’s so I’m definitely qualified to call out this questionable “opinion”. If I start a statement with “IMHO” and then say the sky is purple, that doesn’t make my nonsensical statement all of a sudden off limits for rebuke.
The GT4 is not a track car as you claim per AP’s own words. The fact that you think it is, is an extremely subjective opinion and should be treated as such.
The rest of your statements are all over the places making it impossible to respond to the rest of your post… E.G. Comparing a non-GT turbo 991.2 to a NA GT product…
OP, drive them all if you can but take it from someone that has owned every gen GT3, most GT3 RS’s, and the current GT4 that this is NOT a hardcore track car. The GT4 and Spyder are positioned as Porsche’s fun enthusiast street cars that can also be tracked with few compromises.
In my opinion, the GT4 is the best GT product Porsche currently offers if you want a weekend backroad / canyon car that provides a real sense of occasion when you get behind the wheel.
03-07-2022, 10:41 AM
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(i kid! i kid!)
03-07-2022, 10:43 AM
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too stiff ?
My first impression on the Spyder was, "WOW, this suspension is way more comfortable than my Boxster with X73", if the GTS has even more comfort, I probably would have ended with an Final Edition Exige 😜
And the "smile" washing dilemma, had it once, not a big deal (not even when driving topless) but a Blo car dryer solves this.
No brainer = 25 year edition of Boxster (it's kind of special too).
My first impression on the Spyder was, "WOW, this suspension is way more comfortable than my Boxster with X73", if the GTS has even more comfort, I probably would have ended with an Final Edition Exige 😜
And the "smile" washing dilemma, had it once, not a big deal (not even when driving topless) but a Blo car dryer solves this.
No brainer = 25 year edition of Boxster (it's kind of special too).
03-07-2022, 10:50 AM
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Haha honestly when I say GT4, I mean to include Spyder as well. Both are fabulous and I would love to add a Spyder one day.
I actually think the Spyder provides a bit more sense of occasion than the GT4 with the top down.
I actually think the Spyder provides a bit more sense of occasion than the GT4 with the top down.
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03-07-2022, 10:51 AM
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Yes. Too stiff. So far in this thread, the GT4's suspension stiffness has been compared to a Boxster with the x73 upgrades, to a poster's "several GT cars," and now an AMG GT S. Yeah - the GT4 might be more compliant than those. I'm sure it's also more compliant than a 917 racecar, but why not compare it to a more street-oriented setup? You can't, because it's not. Again - OP is looking for a weekend fun toy and driving around town. I'm thinking he'd be happier with a more compliant ride, especially since the overall performance differences are so hard to differentiate on the street.
03-07-2022, 10:59 AM
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Zero hostility or questionable decisions over here buddy
I own a GT4 as well as other GT cars and non GT 911’s so I’m definitely qualified to call out this questionable “opinion”. If I start a statement with “IMHO” and then say the sky is purple, that doesn’t make my nonsensical statement all of a sudden off limits for rebuke.
The GT4 is not a track car as you claim per AP’s own words. The fact that you think it is, is an extremely subjective opinion and should be treated as such.
The rest of your statements are all over the places making it impossible to respond to the rest of your post… E.G. Comparing a non-GT turbo 991.2 to a NA GT product…
OP, drive them all if you can but take it from someone that has owned every gen GT3, most GT3 RS’s, and the current GT4 that this is NOT a hardcore track car. The GT4 and Spyder are positioned as Porsche’s fun enthusiast street cars that can also be tracked with few compromises.
In my opinion, the GT4 is the best GT product Porsche currently offers if you want a weekend backroad / canyon car that provides a real sense of occasion when you get behind the wheel.
I own a GT4 as well as other GT cars and non GT 911’s so I’m definitely qualified to call out this questionable “opinion”. If I start a statement with “IMHO” and then say the sky is purple, that doesn’t make my nonsensical statement all of a sudden off limits for rebuke.
The GT4 is not a track car as you claim per AP’s own words. The fact that you think it is, is an extremely subjective opinion and should be treated as such.
The rest of your statements are all over the places making it impossible to respond to the rest of your post… E.G. Comparing a non-GT turbo 991.2 to a NA GT product…
OP, drive them all if you can but take it from someone that has owned every gen GT3, most GT3 RS’s, and the current GT4 that this is NOT a hardcore track car. The GT4 and Spyder are positioned as Porsche’s fun enthusiast street cars that can also be tracked with few compromises.
In my opinion, the GT4 is the best GT product Porsche currently offers if you want a weekend backroad / canyon car that provides a real sense of occasion when you get behind the wheel.
OP is looking for a car that's right for his life. He didn't mention anything about engine format, nor do I think he cares, since he's had both turbo and non-turbo cars (although I may be wrong, there...). I'm simply giving my opinion on what might be the right choice for him.
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03-07-2022, 11:08 AM
#27
Daily usability is way less than my Spyder (rollcage prevents using the space behind the seats).
03-07-2022, 11:10 AM
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Yes. Too stiff. So far in this thread, the GT4's suspension stiffness has been compared to a Boxster with the x73 upgrades, to a poster's "several GT cars," and now an AMG GT S. Yeah - the GT4 might be more compliant than those. I'm sure it's also more compliant than a 917 racecar, but why not compare it to a more street-oriented setup? You can't, because it's not. Again - OP is looking for a weekend fun toy and driving around town. I'm thinking he'd be happier with a more compliant ride, especially since the overall performance differences are so hard to differentiate on the street.
As you note though, each person has their own definition of what too stiff is.
Personally, I LOVE driving my GT4 on the street, and have put almost 6k miles on it in 15 months. It is a weekend toy for us, but I try to drive it every weekend.
Ron
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03-07-2022, 11:10 AM
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Reviews are highly subjective between the cars depending on the persons taste. I was in the same thought process but ultimately buying a GT4 with majority of the plan to drive back roads with 6-8 track days a year. If no track, the spyder would have been my choice. The video below helped as Matt from Obsessed Garage is pretty good at articulating. Hope it helps and either way you are going to get an amazing car.
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03-07-2022, 11:20 AM
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718 GT4 vs GTS
Hard hitter, I own the 718 combo, a GT 4 and a GTS, both fantastic cars. I am a weekend driver who goes to the track once in a while. here are the differences in my experience. The 718 GT 4 equipped with manual. the suspension is very firm and this is great on track but can be bouncy or non compliant on undulating back roads. it keeps you on your toes if the road is irregular. Love the manual transmission, best shifter I have ever owned. Car is comfortable on highway and shifting gears is half the fun on the right roads. The 718 GTS with PDK is new and is simply awesome all around Cayman. The 4.0 makes the car special and in my opinion the suspension is tuned best for all around use. My car has a beautiful full leather interior and was dressed up to be a looker. The suspension is more comfortable on back roads and hiway use. It will get firm with sport mode but never super firm like GT4. I first owned a Cayman S in 2007 and Porsche has really evolved the car to be arguably the best all around Porsche. The GTS slightly over $100k is a bargain in the lineup. If you are mostly a weekend driver and yes want to drive aggressively the GTS works. For 95% of drivers the GTS can be the faster more comfortable ride, it will eat up a base Carrera with right driver. If you need a toddler seat buy a 997 or 991 model 911. Fortunate I can have both and avoid the either or dilemma. I suggest low risk is begin with GTS.