New Video! AP Racing by Essex Brakes vs. Stock Porsche GT4 Brakes
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New Video! AP Racing by Essex Brakes vs. Stock Porsche GT4 Brakes
Happy Friday Gents,
Our AP Racing by Essex brake products have become the recognized standard among Porsche GT Car owners who are serious about tracking their car. Why? Because we've been able to improve upon the factory brakes in every conceivable manner, including convenience, fade resistance, longevity, weight reduction, wheel fitment, and long-term running costs. These improvements translate into faster lap times, fewer problems and headaches, substantial financial benefits, and more fun at the track!
In the video below we take a deep dive into the technical nuances of our brake system to show you how and why they're able to offer such a dramatic improvement over the stock brakes. Grab some popcorn and watch the whole video or skip to the section that is most relevant to you by using the timeline guide below.
Also of note for those of you adding a 992 GT3 to your fleet, our brake kit for that car is designed and in production. We’ll be posting more info on that kit in the 992 GT3 section here on Rennlist.
Thanks for watching and a huge thank you to all our GT4 clients for your continued support!
0:00 - Which vehicles do our AP Racing Brakes fit?
1:53 - A Le Mans-winning AP Radi-CAL Brake Solution
3:06 - AP Racing Radi-CAL vs. OEM Front Caliper
4:11 - Front Caliper Weight Comparison
5:15 - Caliper Finish Comparison
6:46 - Ease of Changing Pads
9:52 - Pad Tension Kits
10:39 - Brake Pad Shape and Size Comparison
13:01 - Caliper Piston and Seal Comparison
19:40 - Crossover Tubes vs Internal Fluid Pathways
21:31 - Brake Torque and Differential Piston Bores
23:50 - Rear Caliper Comparison
25:02 - Essex Lifetime Recertification Program
27:15 - AP Racing 2-piece J Hook Disc Comparison to OEM
29:22 - Mounting Hardware and Float
30:44 - Disc Hat/Bell Design
32:47 - Disc Weight Comparison
34:20 - Disc Internal Vane Comparison
36:04 - J Hooks vs. Drilled Holes
38:27 - Metallurgy and Crack Resistance
39:19 - Disc Burnishing/Bedding
41:06 - Replacement Iron Prices
41:52 - Caliper Mounting Brackets
43:06 - Spiegler SS Brake Lines
45:52 - Wheel Fitment
47:13 - Installation Instructions
48:14 - Long-term Value Proposition / Investment
50:08 - Customer Support
51:00 - 2-piece J Hook Discs for Stock Calipers
52:33 - Summary and Conclusions
53:23 - Customer Car Photos and Feedback
Our AP Racing by Essex brake products have become the recognized standard among Porsche GT Car owners who are serious about tracking their car. Why? Because we've been able to improve upon the factory brakes in every conceivable manner, including convenience, fade resistance, longevity, weight reduction, wheel fitment, and long-term running costs. These improvements translate into faster lap times, fewer problems and headaches, substantial financial benefits, and more fun at the track!
In the video below we take a deep dive into the technical nuances of our brake system to show you how and why they're able to offer such a dramatic improvement over the stock brakes. Grab some popcorn and watch the whole video or skip to the section that is most relevant to you by using the timeline guide below.
Also of note for those of you adding a 992 GT3 to your fleet, our brake kit for that car is designed and in production. We’ll be posting more info on that kit in the 992 GT3 section here on Rennlist.
Thanks for watching and a huge thank you to all our GT4 clients for your continued support!
0:00 - Which vehicles do our AP Racing Brakes fit?
1:53 - A Le Mans-winning AP Radi-CAL Brake Solution
3:06 - AP Racing Radi-CAL vs. OEM Front Caliper
4:11 - Front Caliper Weight Comparison
5:15 - Caliper Finish Comparison
6:46 - Ease of Changing Pads
9:52 - Pad Tension Kits
10:39 - Brake Pad Shape and Size Comparison
13:01 - Caliper Piston and Seal Comparison
19:40 - Crossover Tubes vs Internal Fluid Pathways
21:31 - Brake Torque and Differential Piston Bores
23:50 - Rear Caliper Comparison
25:02 - Essex Lifetime Recertification Program
27:15 - AP Racing 2-piece J Hook Disc Comparison to OEM
29:22 - Mounting Hardware and Float
30:44 - Disc Hat/Bell Design
32:47 - Disc Weight Comparison
34:20 - Disc Internal Vane Comparison
36:04 - J Hooks vs. Drilled Holes
38:27 - Metallurgy and Crack Resistance
39:19 - Disc Burnishing/Bedding
41:06 - Replacement Iron Prices
41:52 - Caliper Mounting Brackets
43:06 - Spiegler SS Brake Lines
45:52 - Wheel Fitment
47:13 - Installation Instructions
48:14 - Long-term Value Proposition / Investment
50:08 - Customer Support
51:00 - 2-piece J Hook Discs for Stock Calipers
52:33 - Summary and Conclusions
53:23 - Customer Car Photos and Feedback
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'09 Carrera 2S, '08 Boxster LE (orange), '91 Acura NSX, Tesla Model 3 Performance, Fiesta ST
Jeff Ritter
Mgr. High Performance Division, Essex Parts Services
Essex Designed AP Racing Radi-CAL Competition Brake Kits & 2-piece J Hook Discs
Ferodo Racing Brake Pads
Spiegler Stainless Steel Brake Lines
704-824-6030
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'09 Carrera 2S, '08 Boxster LE (orange), '91 Acura NSX, Tesla Model 3 Performance, Fiesta ST
Jeff Ritter
Mgr. High Performance Division, Essex Parts Services
Essex Designed AP Racing Radi-CAL Competition Brake Kits & 2-piece J Hook Discs
Ferodo Racing Brake Pads
Spiegler Stainless Steel Brake Lines
704-824-6030
jeff.ritter@essexparts.com
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Excellent and informative video! I recently ordered front and rear J hook rotors for my 718 GT4. I ran the J hooks on my 981 GT4 and was amazed at the longevity and performance and look forward to installing them on my 718 GT4.
Thanks for continuing to offer world class parts for us track rats at reasonable prices!
Thanks for continuing to offer world class parts for us track rats at reasonable prices!
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Now I have something to watch over dinner.
Youall will be getting some more of my money in 2022.
Youall will be getting some more of my money in 2022.
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1st tip, if you want to save money don’t watch this video! My $.02 based on experience with their products.
I had 991.1 GT3 with a brake history as follows:
Changed factory rotors to girodisc, a small improvement.
AP releases there full GT3 kit and I luckily get one of the 1st sets. Miles of track time by myself and others and I have to say they are the best brakes on any car I’ve ever had. Add that I ran 19” Forgelines and the drastic reduction of unsprung weight brought the handling to a completely different level.
That car is a no longer and I got a low mileage 991 TTS and swap out the ludicrously expensive PCCB rotors for AP racing and the brakes were perfect as they were much easier to modulate than the ceramics especially on track.
That car is gone traded in at the dealer for these crazy inflated values against a ‘22 GT4 with is supposed to arrive 2 weeks from today. My plan for that was just replacing the rotors with AP but damn it after watching the video it reminded my how much problems the OEM pistons were in the GT3 re the ceramic caps and now I realize I’m going to have to go for the entire kit.
I had 991.1 GT3 with a brake history as follows:
Changed factory rotors to girodisc, a small improvement.
AP releases there full GT3 kit and I luckily get one of the 1st sets. Miles of track time by myself and others and I have to say they are the best brakes on any car I’ve ever had. Add that I ran 19” Forgelines and the drastic reduction of unsprung weight brought the handling to a completely different level.
That car is a no longer and I got a low mileage 991 TTS and swap out the ludicrously expensive PCCB rotors for AP racing and the brakes were perfect as they were much easier to modulate than the ceramics especially on track.
That car is gone traded in at the dealer for these crazy inflated values against a ‘22 GT4 with is supposed to arrive 2 weeks from today. My plan for that was just replacing the rotors with AP but damn it after watching the video it reminded my how much problems the OEM pistons were in the GT3 re the ceramic caps and now I realize I’m going to have to go for the entire kit.
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I have no reason to buy these as I track very infrequently but I’ve always drooled over them and want a set on one of my cars.
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Yeah, that video Is giving me a lot to think about. I didn’t realize how much weight savings was there, and man do I hate removing these calipers.
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I'm not in the market for brakes but I watched the whole thing and that is how you make a video. Actual information, not just "ours is better".
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I also wouldn't mind a set of these for my car particularly because there is no suface transform option for my GTS. It is impressive how much lighter the caliper is but it also comes with a smaller pad so that makes sense also. Sorry if I missed it but is Jeff saying you can get away with a smaller pad because the larger disc has better cooling capacity and pad size does not necessarily equate to stopping power? I assume the pad size is the same then for all the Radi-CAL competition front calipers? Also how does the AP racing disc compare to the Surface Transforms being used in GT cars? I've heard the Surface Transforms is an improvement on the OEM PCCBs, put I'm assuming still a lot more cost than the AP racing discs.
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Excellent and informative video! I recently ordered front and rear J hook rotors for my 718 GT4. I ran the J hooks on my 981 GT4 and was amazed at the longevity and performance and look forward to installing them on my 718 GT4.
Thanks for continuing to offer world class parts for us track rats at reasonable prices!
Thanks for continuing to offer world class parts for us track rats at reasonable prices!
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1st tip, if you want to save money don’t watch this video! My $.02 based on experience with their products.
I had 991.1 GT3 with a brake history as follows:
Changed factory rotors to girodisc, a small improvement.
AP releases there full GT3 kit and I luckily get one of the 1st sets. Miles of track time by myself and others and I have to say they are the best brakes on any car I’ve ever had. Add that I ran 19” Forgelines and the drastic reduction of unsprung weight brought the handling to a completely different level.
That car is a no longer and I got a low mileage 991 TTS and swap out the ludicrously expensive PCCB rotors for AP racing and the brakes were perfect as they were much easier to modulate than the ceramics especially on track.
That car is gone traded in at the dealer for these crazy inflated values against a ‘22 GT4 with is supposed to arrive 2 weeks from today. My plan for that was just replacing the rotors with AP but damn it after watching the video it reminded my how much problems the OEM pistons were in the GT3 re the ceramic caps and now I realize I’m going to have to go for the entire kit.
I had 991.1 GT3 with a brake history as follows:
Changed factory rotors to girodisc, a small improvement.
AP releases there full GT3 kit and I luckily get one of the 1st sets. Miles of track time by myself and others and I have to say they are the best brakes on any car I’ve ever had. Add that I ran 19” Forgelines and the drastic reduction of unsprung weight brought the handling to a completely different level.
That car is a no longer and I got a low mileage 991 TTS and swap out the ludicrously expensive PCCB rotors for AP racing and the brakes were perfect as they were much easier to modulate than the ceramics especially on track.
That car is gone traded in at the dealer for these crazy inflated values against a ‘22 GT4 with is supposed to arrive 2 weeks from today. My plan for that was just replacing the rotors with AP but damn it after watching the video it reminded my how much problems the OEM pistons were in the GT3 re the ceramic caps and now I realize I’m going to have to go for the entire kit.
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I've had several GT3 customers relate our weight savings to the Weissach Package option. On a pounds per dollar basis, we remove a serious chunk of unsprung weight for a very reasonable price. The Weissach package deletes 38 lbs. for $38,000 ($1,000 per pound of reduction). Our system shaves about 33 lbs. for $10,998 ($333 per pound, and all of it unsprung). Then if you want to add some lightweight 19" Forgelines/tires as Inirenberg notes above, the unsprung weight reduction is even further compounded.
and man do I hate removing these calipers.
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Thanks for watching! Be sure to check out our YouTube channel for our other brake-related videos. Although it would be fairly easy to simply stand on AP's racing heritage as a justification for these products, that is a lazy cop-out. I hate that nonsense as a enthusiast and consumer.
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I also wouldn't mind a set of these for my car particularly because there is no suface transform option for my GTS. It is impressive how much lighter the caliper is but it also comes with a smaller pad so that makes sense also. Sorry if I missed it but is Jeff saying you can get away with a smaller pad because the larger disc has better cooling capacity and pad size does not necessarily equate to stopping power? I assume the pad size is the same then for all the Radi-CAL competition front calipers?
Our systems for your GTS are even a little lighter than our GT4 setup, due to the slightly smaller discs. We have two front kits...one with 355x32mm discs and another with 372x34mm discs....along with a matching rear kit. You can see them here: https://www.essexparts.com/my-vehicl...bo/Iron%20disc
The only reason we went so big on the discs in the GT4/GT3 setup was necessity. Since the car came with such large discs from the factory, and our calipers don't have the same bolt spacing as the OEM caliper, we needed room to sandwich a caliper adapter bracket between the spindle and the caliper. That forced to go a bit larger, particularly on the front discs. We have 1000 HP C7ZR1 Corvettes (which are considerably harder on front brakes than a mid engine or rear engine car) running our 372x34mm discs with great success. Our iron discs are all about efficiency. Our ethos with our Competition Kits is that anything larger than necessary is just dead unsprung weight to lug around. We go as small as possible, while still providing ample thermal capacity and longevity.
Here's a recent customer review of our 718 Cayman GTS system: https://www.essexparts.com/2019-caym...ical-brake-kit
Also how does the AP racing disc compare to the Surface Transforms being used in GT cars? I've heard the Surface Transforms is an improvement on the OEM PCCBs, put I'm assuming still a lot more cost than the AP racing discs.
Regardless of what anyone else says, the reality is that carbon ceramic discs will oxidize after track use, and they will need to be either thrown away (stock PCCB) or refurbished (ST). They do offer unsprung weight savings, but so do we without all the downsides and headaches of carbon ceramic discs.
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I’m really interested in doing this on my GT4.
Do you only package them with Ferodo pads? I’ve never used them, and lately have really been enjoying Race Technologies RE10’s (really great modulation and they’re lasting forever).
Do you only package them with Ferodo pads? I’ve never used them, and lately have really been enjoying Race Technologies RE10’s (really great modulation and they’re lasting forever).
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Their latest DS3.12 compound in particular is a world-class pad and is performing exceedingly well in professional GT Car racing around the world: https://www.essexparts.com/news-blog...-to-the-podium
At $450 total for the first complete car set, it makes sense to at least try them. If you don't like them, you can always switch and sell them to one of our thousands of other brake kit owners running our kit on their Porsche, Corvette, BMW, Subaru, etc. At the discounted purchase price, you could likely turn a profit on them in the used market if you only run them a couple times.
Race Technologies does make their pads in the sizes required by the AP Racing calipers. However, we find that 90+% of our customers who start out with Ferodo typically stay with Ferodo. They are high quality, last a long time, easy on discs, competitively priced, and we hold a large inventory in the USA so they are quickly available when needed (we are in Charlotte, NC).