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Old 01-25-2021, 06:09 PM
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I would have had zero interest in the GT4 if it had the new style Porsche interior in it. Wouldn't have even considered buying it.
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Old 01-25-2021, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
I would have had zero interest in the GT4 if it had the new style Porsche interior in it. Wouldn't have even considered buying it.
+1 dropped my 992 whatever allocation because of it.
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Old 01-25-2021, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mjw930
Nope and you can't pop the front trunk to jump the battery either. That's why there is a jumper point on the drivers side fuse box so you can supply power to the front trunk latch.

And there is virtually no car made over the last 20 years that can be bump started since the computer and EFI system along with the high pressure fuel pumps aren't operational without more than ~11.9V of power.

Buy one of these and keep it handy, it's lightyears better than jumper cables and donor batteries. https://antigravitybatteries.com/pro.../micro-starts/
I knew about the frunk and the jumper point in the fuse box, but didn’t know about needing threshold voltage to bump start. Good to know! Thanks!
Old 01-25-2021, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928
On 991/981/718 push under-dash control to engage. Pull to release.
On Macan pull center console control to engage, push to release.
On 992 *push* center console control to engage, pull to release. (At least was the case initially, maybe PAG has reversed for MY’21.)

And that is how we got 992 Cupholder-Gate and why we know Porsche fired every single HMI engineer a couple of years ago.
It should simply mimic the motion of the mechanical hand brake it replaced... being, pull to engage, push to release. The orientation the way they have it (I.e. the opposite) has been giving me fits since I took delivery.
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Old 01-25-2021, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Rockford
It should simply mimic the motion of the mechanical hand brake it replaced... being, pull to engage, push to release. The orientation the way they have it (I.e. the opposite) has been giving me fits since I took delivery.
you are not alone ... even after 5 yrs of ownership of P-cars with that e-brake I still get it wrong!
Old 01-25-2021, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Swift
I knew about the frunk and the jumper point in the fuse box, but didn’t know about needing threshold voltage to bump start. Good to know! Thanks!
one of the nice features of the Anti-gravity li-ion batteries is the "bump start" feature with remote control fob ... https://antigravitybatteries.com/pro...tive/ag-h6-rs/
Old 01-25-2021, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes
I would have had zero interest in the GT4 if it had the new style Porsche interior in it. Wouldn't have even considered buying it.
probably a me too on this - and this will probably be the reason why I wont end up going for a 992 GT3 (if I am lucky enough to get an allocation)
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Old 01-25-2021, 07:28 PM
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Digital electronic shifting with the PDK is great, but analog switches, buttons, and ***** are faster, safer, and just plain easier to use.

Everything is so digital now that they have even eliminated the AUX analog audio input for the car. Now everything has to run through USB and their crappy integrated DAC in the PCM. Can't run Tidal on my iPhone with an audiophile DAC and then plug it into the car anymore. That is a huge improvement in sound quality for my daily drive Macan and my previous 981. No such luck with the newer generation car.
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I joke with my brother-in-law, who has a Tesla, that one day we will have progressed enough that luxury cars will have switches and dials and each one will perform a specific function
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Old 01-25-2021, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Rockford
It should simply mimic the motion of the mechanical hand brake it replaced... being, pull to engage, push to release. The orientation the way they have it (I.e. the opposite) has been giving me fits since I took delivery.
You have to think back to old American cars with parking brakes on the left side of the floor.
Old 01-25-2021, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TTFLT6
You have to think back to old American cars with parking brakes on the left side of the floor.
That's the model I use. In the Macan you can imagine yourself raising and lowering a traditional handbrake, while in the 981 I imagine myself driving a U-haul van.

Why these cars don't include an option to actuate the parking brake when shifting in and out of Park, I can't imagine.
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Originally Posted by Noah Fect
Why these cars don't include an option to actuate the parking brake when shifting in and out of Park, I can't imagine.
OMFG, That would p1$$ me off. I’m already miffed that you have to turn on the ignition and step on the brake pedal to put a PDK car in neutral.

And is the damn parking pawl that’s engaged when you put a PDK in park not good enough?

Do you wear belts (plural) and suspenders?

God. I remember the days when German cars had one green blinker to remind you that the turn signal was activated. ‘cause German engineers figured you knew in which direction you were turning. Not anymore.
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Originally Posted by worf928
OMFG, That would p1$$ me off. I’m already miffed that you have to turn on the ignition and step on the brake pedal to put a PDK car in neutral.

And is the damn parking pawl that’s engaged when you put a PDK in park not good enough?

Do you wear belts (plural) and suspenders?

God. I remember the days when German cars had one green blinker to remind you that the turn signal was activated. ‘cause German engineers figured you knew in which direction you were turning. Not anymore.

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Originally Posted by Jim Rockford
It should simply mimic the motion of the mechanical hand brake it replaced... being, pull to engage, push to release. The orientation the way they have it (I.e. the opposite) has been giving me fits since I took delivery.
Originally Posted by TTFLT6
You have to think back to old American cars with parking brakes on the left side of the floor.
Originally Posted by Noah Fect
That's the model I use. In the Macan you can imagine yourself raising and lowering a traditional handbrake, while in the 981 I imagine myself driving a U-haul van.
So, you see: it’s very easy to argue about which way the switch should work. However, an actual @#$&ing HMI engineer would tell you that you cannot put a cup holder right next to a push-to-activate button for the e-brake.
Old 01-25-2021, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928
OMFG, That would p1$$ me off. I’m already miffed that you have to turn on the ignition and step on the brake pedal to put a PDK car in neutral.
In the world according to me, it would be possible to turn it on and off in the same menu where the other locking/comfort entry options are located. (You'd probably want to turn it off at the track, for instance.) But I recognize that I'm the only one who ever thinks of these things.

And is the damn parking pawl that’s engaged when you put a PDK in park not good enough?
Nope. 981s roll approximately half a block before the pawl stops them.

The Macan isn't quite that bad. But I still prefer that the vehicle doesn't move after I put it in, well, you know, Park.

Originally Posted by worf928
So, you see: it’s very easy to argue about which way the switch should work. However, an actual @#$&ing HMI engineer would tell you that you cannot put a cup holder right next to a push-to-activate button for the e-brake.
That whole interior was designed by people who take a bus to work.

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