July R&T GT4 Review
06-19-2020, 02:48 PM
#16
That's funny....maybe I need to go back and re-read it. What I took from it is the author was saying essentially, screw the niggles, this is a fantastic-driving car. IOW, all those details (that he got wrong), are irrelevant anyway because of the way the car drives.
06-19-2020, 02:51 PM
#17
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I personally disagree... the latest trend of deleting buttons and everything controlled through a display is a joke. Have you driven a Taycan yet? Yeah it’s looks good visually, but functionally it’s a pain in the ***. Biggest joke is controlling climate control vent direction through your PCM... I forgot how many displays you have to get through to do it. Not only that... finger prints everywhere. Personally think there needs to be a happy medium between the two. There are items that should have quick access physical buttons.
The different manufacturers are stretching their legs to get the most "technology" crammed into cars and it's getting to be a marketing gimmick... "We have 4 15" LCD screens in our car compared to 3 in the competitor... thus we have a better car...".
If I want to increase temperature and change radio station I prefer to do it old school with ***** and get it over with in 2-3 seconds max... compared to digging into menus and submenus and getting honked at a redlight because I didn't have time to complete the 2 operations in the 1:10 minutes I had! Eventually I will have to get a car that is based on LCD displays/controls, but for me the later is the better.
If I want to increase temperature and change radio station I prefer to do it old school with ***** and get it over with in 2-3 seconds max... compared to digging into menus and submenus and getting honked at a redlight because I didn't have time to complete the 2 operations in the 1:10 minutes I had! Eventually I will have to get a car that is based on LCD displays/controls, but for me the later is the better.
06-19-2020, 03:53 PM
#18
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Agree, the 992 interior would just make me crazy. I don't think I'd ever get used to it. The completely obscured outer gauges are enough to make my head explode. The cup holder is atrocious. Those door handles are unnecessarily complex. Then there is the Homelink fiasco. But the most idiotic thing I've ever seen in any car is thankfully not in the 992 (yet). In the Pananera, the center vent position has to be controlled by the screen. In the Taycan all the vents are controlled that way. It's beyond belief. I honestly would not drive a Taycan if they gave me one free. It would just make my blood boil.
06-19-2020, 03:55 PM
#19
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Agree, the 992 interior would just make me crazy. I don't think I'd ever get used to it. The completely obscured outer gauges are enough to make my head explode. The cup holder is atrocious. Those door handles are unnecessarily complex. Then there is the Homelink fiasco. But the most idiotic thing I've ever seen in any car is thankfully not in the 992 (yet). In the Pananera, the center vent position has to be controlled by the screen. In the Taycan all the vents are controlled that way. It's beyond belief. I honestly would not drive a Taycan if they gave me one free. It would just make my blood boil.
06-19-2020, 10:06 PM
#20
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If someone handed you a 5 year old iPhone, I doubt anyone would say "love the old school design". It's just dated. Same with the Spyder interior, which taken almost directly from nearly 5 year old 991.2 interior design. It was meant to be tech current at the time, but that's forever ago in tech time. For me, it's a drawback, but not a dealbreaker.
06-19-2020, 10:49 PM
#21
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If someone handed you a 5 year old iPhone, I doubt anyone would say "love the old school design". It's just dated. Same with the Spyder interior, which taken almost directly from nearly 5 year old 991.2 interior design. It was meant to be tech current at the time, but that's forever ago in tech time. For me, it's a drawback, but not a dealbreaker.
A car is not an iphone. It does not need touchscreen. It evolved to be quite efficient with analog controls/buttons in the last 100 years+. Only in the last 5-7 years have we been pushed to accept this nonsense of touchscreen everywhere. If your software or screen driver goes out, good luck controlling anything in the car! But to each is own. I agree that it could look cool in a car to have a big screen... but it could also be hidious like the last gen MB E class. I would take the 2014 interior anytime over the new one.
06-19-2020, 11:07 PM
#22
Just an opinion...
718 Spyder is my first non-911 Porsche since my first 911 twenty years ago; to be honest, 718 interior (with contrast stitching leather and bucket seats) is not as delicate nor creating luxurious sentiment as good as 911 can provide if you really looked at the details of parts and assembly. But well, I also understand I don't purchase Spyder for that kind of experiences. However, I wouldn't mind if some old design weakness can be further improved.
Most of time, newer design is better as it takes lesson learned from old design, like old PCM buttons layout, I/Os can be improved on 718. Also, no wireless Car Play is really inconvenient.
718 Spyder is my first non-911 Porsche since my first 911 twenty years ago; to be honest, 718 interior (with contrast stitching leather and bucket seats) is not as delicate nor creating luxurious sentiment as good as 911 can provide if you really looked at the details of parts and assembly. But well, I also understand I don't purchase Spyder for that kind of experiences. However, I wouldn't mind if some old design weakness can be further improved.
Most of time, newer design is better as it takes lesson learned from old design, like old PCM buttons layout, I/Os can be improved on 718. Also, no wireless Car Play is really inconvenient.
06-19-2020, 11:10 PM
#23
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Just an opinion...
718 Spyder is my first non-911 Porsche since my first 911 twenty years ago; to be honest, 718 interior (with contrast stitching leather and bucket seats) is not as delicate nor creating luxurious sentiment as good as 911 can provide if you really looked at the details of parts and assembly. But well, I also understand I don't purchase Spyder for that kind of experiences. However, I wouldn't mind if some old design weakness can be further improved.
Most of time, newer design is better as it takes lesson learned from old design, like old PCM buttons layout, I/Os can be improved on 718. Also, no wireless Car Play is really inconvenient.
718 Spyder is my first non-911 Porsche since my first 911 twenty years ago; to be honest, 718 interior (with contrast stitching leather and bucket seats) is not as delicate nor creating luxurious sentiment as good as 911 can provide if you really looked at the details of parts and assembly. But well, I also understand I don't purchase Spyder for that kind of experiences. However, I wouldn't mind if some old design weakness can be further improved.
Most of time, newer design is better as it takes lesson learned from old design, like old PCM buttons layout, I/Os can be improved on 718. Also, no wireless Car Play is really inconvenient.
I like modern and advanced, but in this case I chose based what was being offer... it works and it will have to do.
06-20-2020, 12:27 AM
#24
no, I like the way 718 Spyder interior is.
I sit in 992 at showroom and perceived very similar overall felling from old 911 interior somehow (Ref. I had 964t & 997tt) even though lots of tangible things evolved over time. Nevertheless, I like the 718 Spyder snug feeling cabin better. Maybe I am getting a little bit tired of 911 interior and looking for something new to experience, or... Spyder is just too unique to pass from past as well as forward-looking trend of electrifying.
06-20-2020, 02:12 AM
#25
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excellent question,
no, I like the way 718 Spyder interior is.
I sit in 992 at showroom and perceived very similar overall felling from old 911 interior somehow (Ref. I had 964t & 997tt) even though lots of tangible things evolved over time. Nevertheless, I like the 718 Spyder snug feeling cabin better. Maybe I am getting a little bit tired of 911 interior and looking for something new to experience, or... Spyder is just too unique to pass from past as well as forward-looking trend of electrifying.
no, I like the way 718 Spyder interior is.
I sit in 992 at showroom and perceived very similar overall felling from old 911 interior somehow (Ref. I had 964t & 997tt) even though lots of tangible things evolved over time. Nevertheless, I like the 718 Spyder snug feeling cabin better. Maybe I am getting a little bit tired of 911 interior and looking for something new to experience, or... Spyder is just too unique to pass from past as well as forward-looking trend of electrifying.