w00tw00t

Anyone seen this yeyt

GT4 on stictier tires .. 718S on its stock pirellis .. both did 1:20.75 !!

The new 718 GT4 is going to be a monster..

https://www.motortrendondemand.com/d...y-/0_5ix4wv1g/

ShakeNBake

I hope they keep the NA motor and manual. All I really want from the next GT4 is a more thrilling engine. Everything else is great.

The 991.2 C2S was also faster around the ring than the 991.1 GT3 - they sure know how to one-up themselves.


more fun...Sport Auto super test for GT4 and 718S.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/s...-11564654.html

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/s...t-9446269.html

trebien

It's known that a 718 S is as fast around the 'ring when equipped with similar tires to the GT4. Ditto for 911 models.

Those torquey little turbo engines are no joke.

user1029

but then I would have bought a Subaru

Spyerx

streets is a super tight technical track and its no surprise a torquey turbo motor works its magic there.

The 6cyl sounds better. That matters.

stout

Speed of the 718 and 718S was apparent at the launch in Portugal, as was the fact that the chassis had picked up lessons from the GT4. Over great back roads with more than a few lumps and bumps, the chassis and handling felt at least as good as the GT4 and perhaps better. Probably a bit softer, which is better for its purposes as a non-GT car, but not at all "soft." Frankly, the chassis felt perfect. And that torque changed everything—you could adjust the car's attitude in ways not possible in any 986, 987, or 981 to date. And even the base 718 felt fast. Add sticky tires and lookout.

But...unlike the 991-2 Carrera, which makes the leap to turbocharging with six horizontally opposed cylinders intact, the 718 ends up with an engine we are too spoiled to appreciate after 20 years of sonorous sixes. It doesn't sound bad, but it ain't no flat six and never will be. Outside visuals have yet to grow on me, as well. Fish-like front bumper, way too fussy in the back. Can live with the new look on the Cayman, have a tougher time with the Boxster. Some colors help. Hoping the 982 GT4 will translate the purposeful look of the 981 GT4 well.

718S vs 981 GT4? Even if the latter was two seconds per lap slower at every track, I'd stick with it. The right 991-2 C2 MT vs GT4? For me, that's tougher...

jlennox

^creative writing but fully agree

Beantown Kman

Always a pleasure to read your opinions based on actual, real world experience. If and when the 982 GT4 is released with a turbo engine it will surely make for some very lively discussion.

O5C4R

Turbo cars always seem to get limp mode or a cel when it gets hot, but the technology is always improving

4carl

I've driven the 718 boxster S both with a pdk and 6speed and the 718 Cayman s pdk with the sport PASM. My dealer let me take all three out back to back alone so I got to play a little on my local canyons . They are really nice cars and pull like crazy compaired to the 4 . For sure a more well rounded package . When I got back into the 4 it still felt more exciting .. For whatever that's worth?? Carl

Buteo

If I was considering a 991 no question, for me it's the 991.1 based on your statements here. Even if it is 2-3 seconds faster at every track , the 991.2 acoustics don't do it for me.

How about you, say 991.1 GTS vs 991.2 c2s?

jphughan

Even Rennlist members aren't immune to spelling it "Boxter", like "Metzger" and "Burmeister".

Spyerx

Assume you are talking Bmws? Yeah.

Porsches? I have buddies that run their stock turbo 911s hard on track all weekend without a single issue.

stout

For me, it's 991.2 C2S > 991.1 GTS.

I like sports cars as whole package, with FUN as the most important "metric." Some packages just click, and one that does is 991.2 Carrera. The fact it kept a flat six that revs but added two turbos and real torque with an elastic power curve unlike any 911 Turbo to date—one more like an NA engine's—plus a better MT and a chassis that feels roughly perfect makes it really compelling. The 718 gained a lot in performance and dynamic terms in the move to turbocharging, but the move to a flat four is an uphill battle when it comes to one of the most compelling reasons to buy a Porsche sports car over the last 20 years: Every one of them had a sonorous flat six. 991.1 GTS was a really nice car, and man did that 3.8-liter X51 engine SING, but I'd still take the 991.2. There is plenty of noise for me. YMMV, but sometimes I think the latest GT cars and even some 991.1 and 981 models are "showy loud" instead of offering nice sounds for the DRIVER to enjoy without assaulting others, a not-so-subtle balance shift away from some 986/987 and 996/997 models.

Some folks are anti-convertible, anti-turbo, anti-non-911, anti-911, etc. I just like fun cars, and cars that really "click." So, for me, it leads to some odd and unpredictable preferences (most of which are based on 1000-2500 miles in the cars in varied conditions) such as:

996.2 GT3 > 997.1 GT3
987 Spyder > 987 R
981 GT4 > 981 Spyder
997.2 RS 4.0 > 991.1 GT3/RS (for street)
997.1 GT2 > 997.2 GT2 RS (for street)
991.2 C2S > 991.1 GTS
981.1 GTS > 982 S

All of the above assumes all cars are factory. Start modding the cars to address or amplify traits and all bets are off. Nor is this to say that any of the Porsches noted above are anything less than amazing, and some examples are splitting hairs! Let's be clear: No modern Porsche is a Chevy Citation X-11. Very curious to try 991.2 GTS, but one thing I like a lot about the 991.2 Carrera/S is slimmer hips on a 911 that is pushing the boundaries of size for me.

Again, YMMV. Just my view from here.

O5C4R

Yeah I was, also subies evo's as well, but that's good to hear, perhaps a 718 GT4 with pdks would be quite the weapon