Reasonable offer for 2018 Cayman S dealer demo?
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Hello 718 owners,
Considering picking up a 718 Cayman S to replace my 2015 MB E63. My girlfriend has two RAV4 so I no longer need a 4-door. I was also considering a CPO base 2017 911-carrera with 7 speed. Wonderful manual but there was a ton of cabin drone even when coasting in neutral. I don't know if that's typical with the 991.2 generation or it was just this car?
Anyways, dealer has a 2018 Graphite blue Cayman S with an $87K sticker. It's a dealer demo with 6500 miles. Warranty started September of 2018 (last year). They're asking $78K. This seems way high considering that even CPO'd 2018 Cayman S are sell for $72K with lower miles. Well optioned, low mileage 2018 cayman S non certified are mid to high $60K cars.
What would be a fair offer for this car? (has premium package, PDK, PASM, LCA, ventilated seats, entry & drive)
Considering picking up a 718 Cayman S to replace my 2015 MB E63. My girlfriend has two RAV4 so I no longer need a 4-door. I was also considering a CPO base 2017 911-carrera with 7 speed. Wonderful manual but there was a ton of cabin drone even when coasting in neutral. I don't know if that's typical with the 991.2 generation or it was just this car?
Anyways, dealer has a 2018 Graphite blue Cayman S with an $87K sticker. It's a dealer demo with 6500 miles. Warranty started September of 2018 (last year). They're asking $78K. This seems way high considering that even CPO'd 2018 Cayman S are sell for $72K with lower miles. Well optioned, low mileage 2018 cayman S non certified are mid to high $60K cars.
What would be a fair offer for this car? (has premium package, PDK, PASM, LCA, ventilated seats, entry & drive)
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So it's not even CPO'd? Dealer demos get beat up on pretty badly so I would not touch a demo without CPO. I think you are correct to feel that the asking price is way too high. I got a CPO'd 2017 CS with 8K miles for $67K. 20" Carrera S wheels, PASM Sport, ventilated 18 way seats with memory, full leather, Sport Chrono, Sport exhaust, Bose, and useless-to-me navi with Porsche Connect Plus. Manual though but as you may know, manuals are commanding the same values as PDKs on the used market. Original MSRP was $88,735. Graphite blue is a premium color and may be good for a $2K up charge max.
I would say $75K max CPO'd would be fairer but a lot more comfortable as $72K. Maybe $73K if you love the color. Supply and demand rules by region is a factor too although with nationwide shipping for no more than $1500, that's becoming less and less of a factor.
I would say $75K max CPO'd would be fairer but a lot more comfortable as $72K. Maybe $73K if you love the color. Supply and demand rules by region is a factor too although with nationwide shipping for no more than $1500, that's becoming less and less of a factor.
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AlphabetDistrict (10-15-2019)
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No more than $70K IMO, with oil change, balance and alignment, new cabin filter, full CPO, and complete service records. Good luck!
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AlphabetDistrict (10-15-2019)
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Yep - non CPO for $78,940. After reading your reply, I'd insist on CPO. And then I think a fair offer is only about $71K max considering the car does not have Sport Chrono or PTV.
Your car sounds like a great spec. As far as the transmission goes, I'm probably 51/49 manual vs. PDK. If I were buying new, I'd spec the manual but used I'm okay with PDK. My test drive was with a 718 Boxter S PDK. This was the first time I had driven a newer vintage PDK and I came away thoroughly impressed. I actually had fun with it which is something that never happened with the DSG Audi S6 I owned, or any of the BMW or Mercedes semi-automatics I've driven.
Thanks for the reply!
Your car sounds like a great spec. As far as the transmission goes, I'm probably 51/49 manual vs. PDK. If I were buying new, I'd spec the manual but used I'm okay with PDK. My test drive was with a 718 Boxter S PDK. This was the first time I had driven a newer vintage PDK and I came away thoroughly impressed. I actually had fun with it which is something that never happened with the DSG Audi S6 I owned, or any of the BMW or Mercedes semi-automatics I've driven.
Thanks for the reply!
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rasetsu (10-15-2019)
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Yes, a demo '18 718S at $78K sounds like they are on crack. That seems way out of line.
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My hearing is phenomenal (just ask my wife) but I have a '17 base Carrera 7MT, and I would not say I've ever experienced a "drone". Between the two choices you are considering, a CPO '17-'18 991.2 and a '18 718CS, are night and day different in terms of experience. I owned a 981CS for a while before my 991, and am extremely glad I made the upgrade to a 911. The 981CS was tons of fun, but small, for me at least. For daily livability the 911 is a much better bet. But that's not what you asked, of course. Apologies for drift.
Yes, a demo '18 718S at $78K sounds like they are on crack. That seems way out of line.
Yes, a demo '18 718S at $78K sounds like they are on crack. That seems way out of line.
I would still consider a base 911 if I can't make headway on pricing with the Cayman.
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As others have said, way too high. I just picked up a brand new 2018 Cayman S for $74k ($87k MSRP), with full 4 year warranty intact. Good luck, graphite blue is an awesome color
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Thanks Rich! Yes, the drone was extremely noticeable. This particular car had a Fabspeed aftermarket exhaust. I'm wondering if it had other modifications that could have contributed to the noise. I really need to drive a different 911 so I have a reference.
I would still consider a base 911 if I can't make headway on pricing with the Cayman.
I would still consider a base 911 if I can't make headway on pricing with the Cayman.
Best of luck with your search. A 718CS is a hell of a car. The T motor should really wake up the chassis. I had the 3,4 NA flat six in my ‘14 981S but you had to keep it on the boil. Compared to my 991.2, it felt a tick slower; but the 3.0T in the 911 has so much grunt at low RPM it makes a vert satisfying DD. I would imagine the 718 would be similar. Neither one is a bad choice though, let me stress; just, different.
My used 991.2 cost me low six figures though. It turned out my wife liked Porsche’s so much I had to get her a new Cayenne. Happy wife happy life.
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Steve48 (10-15-2019)
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No issues at a with choosing PDK. If I were to drive mine during rush hours more than 2x a week, I'd go PDK too. The modern Porsche PDK is phenomenal. I commuted in a STi daily until it got to be too much on my knee so I got a DSG GTI so I could keep the STi as a weekend car which was fun. Then I upgraded the GTI to a Macan for the psuedo-PDK, sold the STi, and got the Cayman as a weekend car.
Yep - non CPO for $78,940. After reading your reply, I'd insist on CPO. And then I think a fair offer is only about $71K max considering the car does not have Sport Chrono or PTV.
Your car sounds like a great spec. As far as the transmission goes, I'm probably 51/49 manual vs. PDK. If I were buying new, I'd spec the manual but used I'm okay with PDK. My test drive was with a 718 Boxter S PDK. This was the first time I had driven a newer vintage PDK and I came away thoroughly impressed. I actually had fun with it which is something that never happened with the DSG Audi S6 I owned, or any of the BMW or Mercedes semi-automatics I've driven.
Thanks for the reply!
Your car sounds like a great spec. As far as the transmission goes, I'm probably 51/49 manual vs. PDK. If I were buying new, I'd spec the manual but used I'm okay with PDK. My test drive was with a 718 Boxter S PDK. This was the first time I had driven a newer vintage PDK and I came away thoroughly impressed. I actually had fun with it which is something that never happened with the DSG Audi S6 I owned, or any of the BMW or Mercedes semi-automatics I've driven.
Thanks for the reply!
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We picked up a 718CS a month ago that had the same MSRP, also a dealer demo, only 1500 miles more and 6 months less warranty left on it. Also, it was a private sale, not a dealer (the first owner drove it for just a few months and then had to upgrade to a 991.2 GTS due to a family situation). $61.5K. Without any extra perks of buying from a dealer, the $78K asking price is insane.
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Thanks Rich! Yes, the drone was extremely noticeable. This particular car had a Fabspeed aftermarket exhaust. I'm wondering if it had other modifications that could have contributed to the noise. I really need to drive a different 911 so I have a reference.
I would still consider a base 911 if I can't make headway on pricing with the Cayman.
I would still consider a base 911 if I can't make headway on pricing with the Cayman.
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Thanks Rich! Yes, the drone was extremely noticeable. This particular car had a Fabspeed aftermarket exhaust. I'm wondering if it had other modifications that could have contributed to the noise. I really need to drive a different 911 so I have a reference.
I would still consider a base 911 if I can't make headway on pricing with the Cayman.
I would still consider a base 911 if I can't make headway on pricing with the Cayman.
Fabspeed exhausts drone so much. If you compare PSE to PSE, i'm willing to bet you'll much prefer a 911 considering you're coming from an E63. The 911 has a quieter cabin than a 718, and is also roomier. I'd highly recommend you test another stock 991.2 if you're in the market for a daily
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Hello 718 owners,
I was also considering a CPO base 2017 911-carrera with 7 speed. Wonderful manual but there was a ton of cabin drone even when coasting in neutral. I don't know if that's typical with the 991.2 generation or it was just this car?
What would be a fair offer for this car? (has premium package, PDK, PASM, LCA, ventilated seats, entry & drive)
I was also considering a CPO base 2017 911-carrera with 7 speed. Wonderful manual but there was a ton of cabin drone even when coasting in neutral. I don't know if that's typical with the 991.2 generation or it was just this car?
What would be a fair offer for this car? (has premium package, PDK, PASM, LCA, ventilated seats, entry & drive)
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@AlphabetDistrict , as others have said, that price is way too high. I just wanted make a comment on cabin sound between a 911 and 718 since I have both. Even my Carrera T with less sound insulation is quieter than my 718. I even had the fake Soundaktor disconnected, which I think is a must for the 718. With the fake sound, the 718 cabin noise is not exactly pleasant. The 911 has sound piped in thru a tube and sounds very good and the engine is obviously a little further back which makes a difference in cabin noise levels.
I’ve grown to appreciate the sound of the turbo F4 in the 718 and it has the Porsche DNA ( car & engine ) .
I’ve grown to appreciate the sound of the turbo F4 in the 718 and it has the Porsche DNA ( car & engine ) .
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