Alienated 718 owners
03-08-2018, 11:40 PM
#46
The 718 is just the new kid to pick on. It's not 981 owners so much as it is Porsche owners. I've been on this forum for over a decade and it's always the same thing, just which flavor you want. The air-cooled people hate on the water cooled people, the 911 people hate on the Boxster people, the car people hate on the SUV people, the naturally aspirated people hate on the forced induction ones and pretty much everyone hates on the Panamera. 
There's so much tiny dick syndrome among Porsche owners it staggers the imagination. Bottom line......enjoy your car and don't pay attention to what others thing of it (especially other Porsche owners).
There's so much tiny dick syndrome among Porsche owners it staggers the imagination. Bottom line......enjoy your car and don't pay attention to what others thing of it (especially other Porsche owners).
03-09-2018, 12:05 AM
#47
I don't get why RL doesn't separate the 981 and 718 forums. In a Porsche vacuum, they have starkly different ethos in a powerplant respect. Different cars, different owners, often different fans.
Same for the 991's. The N/A and turbo guys are after different experiences and value some different things. To me.. again within a Porsche vacuum.. they're entirely different cars. The gridlock of "1 vs 2" would end with a simple forum split.
Same for the 991's. The N/A and turbo guys are after different experiences and value some different things. To me.. again within a Porsche vacuum.. they're entirely different cars. The gridlock of "1 vs 2" would end with a simple forum split.
03-09-2018, 02:27 AM
#48
718 Guys - Don't feel bad. I remember a car I had everyone used to make jokes about: The 1999-2002 BMW M coupe. Clown shoe, roller skate, baseball cap blah blah. Did it make me like the car any less? No, because I knew I had one of the best sports cars around. Now look at the values of those cars.
As for the 718, I think the car is FAR underrated and it was the catalyst for selling my 911 GT3 and going back to a GT4.
The sound is great, it's just different from the flat six. It's a very fun car with great balance. Why didn't I buy a 718 instead of the GT4? Well the GT4 for me was my first porsche and I have an emotional attachment to it. I had configured a pretty badass 718 Cayman GTS. I was close to pulling the trigger. Then I started calculating mods for track days. And I did love the GT4. So I found a great one so I snapped it up.
The 718 is a great deal because you can negotiate on them. I'll never question or knock a person buying a 718. It's really the best kept secret in Porsche's lineup. The flat four is really cool and sounds great in its own way.
Personally if the next GT4 has a flat 4 turbo I'll probably buy one if the price makes sense.
Also just be confident in your choice. Don't look for validation of your choices on the internet. You'll be disappointed. Go carve up some mountain roads in your 718 instead.
As for the 718, I think the car is FAR underrated and it was the catalyst for selling my 911 GT3 and going back to a GT4.
The sound is great, it's just different from the flat six. It's a very fun car with great balance. Why didn't I buy a 718 instead of the GT4? Well the GT4 for me was my first porsche and I have an emotional attachment to it. I had configured a pretty badass 718 Cayman GTS. I was close to pulling the trigger. Then I started calculating mods for track days. And I did love the GT4. So I found a great one so I snapped it up.
The 718 is a great deal because you can negotiate on them. I'll never question or knock a person buying a 718. It's really the best kept secret in Porsche's lineup. The flat four is really cool and sounds great in its own way.
Personally if the next GT4 has a flat 4 turbo I'll probably buy one if the price makes sense.
Also just be confident in your choice. Don't look for validation of your choices on the internet. You'll be disappointed. Go carve up some mountain roads in your 718 instead.
03-09-2018, 10:25 AM
#50
Got my 981 BGTS for my 40th birthday. Have a bad, bad feeling a 718 Spyder will be my 45th birthday present if it has a NA flat six. I look forward to joining the 718 club.
03-09-2018, 03:56 PM
#51
Part of the problem is the validation. I’ve seen multiple posts where someone asks an opinion between the 718 and 981. What’s funny is that many who post the question have already made up their mind regarding their purchase so you inevitably get a group fo 981 owners that will opine that their cars are better than the 718 and vice versa.
Mark my words, 8 years from now we’ll have someone inquiring if getting an electric Boxster is better than the outgoing 4 cylinder and those 718 owners are going to argue that the loss of the combustion engine is a major detractor. Change inevitably brings differeng opinions.
A good example, today I brought my Spyder to get smogged and the owner of the smog place is a Porsche nut but his comment to me when I was leaving is that “the Boxster is nice but I really prefer the 911”. Mind you he knows I have a 911 but I said I understand the opinion and I know many feel the same. He acknowledged that the Boxster handles and drives better than the 911 but there’s something about the 911 that he prefers. I’m not one to argue a mans opinion and taste, personally I think we are all entitle to it.
Stop worrying about what others think and start enjoying the drive.
Mark my words, 8 years from now we’ll have someone inquiring if getting an electric Boxster is better than the outgoing 4 cylinder and those 718 owners are going to argue that the loss of the combustion engine is a major detractor. Change inevitably brings differeng opinions.
A good example, today I brought my Spyder to get smogged and the owner of the smog place is a Porsche nut but his comment to me when I was leaving is that “the Boxster is nice but I really prefer the 911”. Mind you he knows I have a 911 but I said I understand the opinion and I know many feel the same. He acknowledged that the Boxster handles and drives better than the 911 but there’s something about the 911 that he prefers. I’m not one to argue a mans opinion and taste, personally I think we are all entitle to it.
Stop worrying about what others think and start enjoying the drive.
Bottom line is that the 718S I test drove has a lot to offer. It's just that it doesn't have enough to get me to shell out $40K plus my car to buy one. I'm fortunate enough to have purchased a 981S which gives me the same pleasure today as it did five years ago.
03-09-2018, 05:05 PM
#52
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I’m starting to wonder if this is thread is just a plug for the 718 Forum website.
03-09-2018, 06:09 PM
#53
Three Wheelin'
Many feel sounding off here is the only way to let Porsche know we're not happy with a 4 cylinder six figure car. I don't think a lot of the comments are aimed at 718 owners.
03-09-2018, 06:20 PM
#54
Good point. If enthusiasts didn't complain about the lack of power in the original 240 HP Boxster, maybe 300 + HP Boxsters wouldn't be offered today.
03-09-2018, 06:51 PM
#55
I hate the sound of the 718, but can’t ignore the performance, which is why I don’t get all twisted up over those that bought one.
Also, while straight line speed isn’t everything, it IS something when a Toyota has enough to pass a Porsche. This is why we can’t ignore performance advances entirely.
-Matt
03-09-2018, 11:45 PM
#56
Burning Brakes
This is how I’ve taken it. I feel that 718 critics are really aiming most of their criticism at Porsche and that the rest of the criticism towards 718 buyers since they seem to be supporting Porsche’s decisions.
I hate the sound of the 718, but can’t ignore the performance, which is why I don’t get all twisted up over those that bought one.
Also, while straight line speed isn’t everything, it IS something when a Toyota has enough to pass a Porsche. This is why we can’t ignore performance advances entirely.
-Matt
Last edited by MidEngineRules; 03-10-2018 at 11:59 AM. Reason: spelling
03-09-2018, 11:56 PM
#57
Burning Brakes
Go Heels!!
03-10-2018, 10:31 AM
#58
There is a bit of snobbery that happens, not hate. I’ve seen it. The funniest one is on the 991 forum - “Watch Friday”. That’s for posers that want to impress others with their good taste in expensive watches. Hilarious. You just need to laugh at some of it. I would say about 70% could never derive the capabilities out of their cars and buy way beyond their capabilities for bragging rights. My C2 is all that I can handle, and I’ve been thrashing sports cars since I was 16.
OP, I suggest that if you want to see more posts on the 718, post more stuff. But most of all, enjoy your finely crafted Porsche and forget about the small minds.
OP, I suggest that if you want to see more posts on the 718, post more stuff. But most of all, enjoy your finely crafted Porsche and forget about the small minds.
03-10-2018, 01:57 PM
#59
Three Wheelin'
I don't think having a separate sub-forum for 982 is going to change anything. As few others mentioned, there isn't much volume of threads to warrant a separate sub-forum, though we might want to see one. The admins might be looking at the #s primarily.
Though everyone here is educated and be able to afford a Porsche (many with long history of multiple Porsches, past and present), something strange happens to a person's attitude when start typing on a keyboard (or by any other means of input) and posting on an Internet forum. They tend to say things and in a manner they otherwise wouldn't, face-to-face. Assured by anonymity, people tend to act in a questionable manner (to put it mildly). There are lot of members who have met and mingled with one another in real world and possibly made friends. They tend to treat each other with respect, obviously. When they offer a difference of opinion, they would do so with courtesy. Essentially, Internet, being anonymous, doesn't have any such socially accepted norms. As many others have pointed out, 982 drivers need to just ignore the banter and enjoy the ride! It's all about the ride!!
For the record, I do like 982. Now, about that engine note.....! Kidding!!
Though everyone here is educated and be able to afford a Porsche (many with long history of multiple Porsches, past and present), something strange happens to a person's attitude when start typing on a keyboard (or by any other means of input) and posting on an Internet forum. They tend to say things and in a manner they otherwise wouldn't, face-to-face. Assured by anonymity, people tend to act in a questionable manner (to put it mildly). There are lot of members who have met and mingled with one another in real world and possibly made friends. They tend to treat each other with respect, obviously. When they offer a difference of opinion, they would do so with courtesy. Essentially, Internet, being anonymous, doesn't have any such socially accepted norms. As many others have pointed out, 982 drivers need to just ignore the banter and enjoy the ride! It's all about the ride!!
For the record, I do like 982. Now, about that engine note.....! Kidding!!
03-10-2018, 02:19 PM
#60
Though everyone here is educated and be able to afford a Porsche (many with long history of multiple Porsches, past and present), something strange happens to a person's attitude when start typing on a keyboard (or by any other means of input) and posting on an Internet forum. They tend to say things and in a manner they otherwise wouldn't, face-to-face. Assured by anonymity, people tend to act in a questionable manner (to put it mildly). There are lot of members who have met and mingled with one another in real world and possibly made friends. They tend to treat each other with respect, obviously. When they offer a difference of opinion, they would do so with courtesy. Essentially, Internet, being anonymous, doesn't have any such socially accepted norms. :
BTW, I am still voting my 2.7 L 981 Cayman as one of my best sports cars.