SY6TTX50

Speeding is a H.T.A. offence. If convicted, it will be on the driver's abstract even if it's 1km over. Parking ticket is a by-law offence.

Demerit points can also be important if you make a living relying on your driver's license.

SY6TTX50

From the information that you provided, there should be a letter "R" on your ticket and if you decide to cross examine the police officer on a witness stand, there's very a high possibility that the prosecutor will amend the original charge. Receiving a disclosure does not mean that the police officer will be present at trial, it's the prosecutor's legal duty to provide you the evidence that was made against you.

There's no need to get another paralegal and certainly not worth getting a lawyer for this, as it's a minor offence. With your other speeding ticket and the charge already got reduced on this ticket, I would not recommend you to challenge the police officer at trial. If you truly believe that you did not commit the offence, explore the option of filing a 4F form (depending on what X-Copper asked for in the disclosure and usually paralegals don't do a good job at asking for disclosures ). If your trial date is more than 10 months away from the offence date, you can file an 11b form.

theiceman

Sorry to hear this George but here is how I read it and what you should have done .

Muskoka is correct with the points but has nothing to do with Insurance rates. You will be convicted with a minor speeding ticket .
Depending on insurance I would have eaten that one ticket as Danny said and moved on . Most companies will leave you alone with one ticket or a minor bump ( probably less than the 282 you paid ) .
They can definitely reinstate the original charge . But would still be on your ticket as one minor infraction for the insurance company but if found guilty you would pay a higher fine.
Defending yourself the way you described I think you will definitely lose . they wont drop the charges . You have/had an opportunity to speak to the prosecutor when you got the ticket , its an option . But i will tell you they know the cop already reduced it and will not do anything.

If you were an old lady in a civic maybe .. But they see it as a dude in an Italian sports car .. your doomed.

if you are going to fight for such a small thing you are going to need a real traffic lawyer . This will not make it economically feasible even of you include an insurance hike.

997_Toronto

+1

george44

Thanks Clive, appreciate. The ticket is indeed marked R (reduced) and the officer told me 87 kms/hr in that zone would bring 4 Demerit points and I forgot how many dollars. I had a lengthy discussion with him and I am convinced I was able to persuade him I did not do it on purpose and quite frankly I did not know I reached such a speed (how many of us actually check their speed from standstill when turning left or right?). This is why he reduced it from 87 to 60. I was still convinced it is not technically possible and will be able to demonstrate that in court but then made some calculations the other day and unfortunately found out it was way possible to reach that speed and still stop no problem, all in 200 meters. So I guess I'll ask X-Copper to drop the charge and I'll pay the 40 dollars fine. Can't even say I'll be more careful next time, did not realize it can get so fast so quick and I did not floor it, as I said engine was cold, had driven maybe less than 500 meters. But the law of physics is against me and all the logic from the forum is also pointing into one direction. Thank you very much guys, as always much appreciated !

George

theiceman

it would only help convict him as it carries no evidence he was not speeding. Only show an aggressive drive for that short distance that he didn't realize. I have no doubt what the laser caught was true. The issue is the cop writing a ticket for a 100 foot indiscretion.
I guess he wanted to win the microwave back at the station.

Wild Weasel

My suggestion was based on the original premise that he was not actually speeding.

As it turns out he's an oblivious maniac and just had the bad luck of getting nabbed. Dashcam won't save you there.

george44

I am not a maniac not any more than anyone else driving a car. I simply did not realize the car can get to that speed so fast. And I was in no hurry. And I am no longer 20 trying to impress anyone,

George

Wild Weasel

You're clearly a complete lunatic behind the wheel. Just own it like a boss.

And I'm not suggesting for a second that all the rest of us aren't right there with you.

ronnie993tt

Speeding tickets are like a "fee" for driving fast. Trick is to amortize fines over as many miles as possible to minimize the cost.

Sir5n

this^^^

bronson7

I like the way you phrased that.

docdrs

You nailed it on the head.......these are not the floating luxury suv's but high performance sports cars that lull you into a sense going slower than you actually are. 385 hp in my chrysler aspen feels way different than the 385 in my 911

Bleifuss

This was an interesting read and I'm surprised at how many people refuse to fight their own tickets. X Copper usually does what anyone can do on their own, go speak to the prosecutor and try to negotiate the ticket down. If that doesn't work, you can go before a judge, question the police officer and explain your rationale.

In this case, I think it's important to ask the officer more procedural questions and find a fault there rather than try to prove that your car couldn't reach the speed it did. Here are a few questions I would want clarified:

1. Where was the officer when you were clocked?
2. What were the traffic conditions?
3. What was the weather like?
4. Was the radar calibrated? When was the radar calibrated and by whom?
5. How did the officer identify your car as speeding?
6. Was he shooting randomly?
7. Does he normally just shoot radar at high end cars?
8. Ask the officer to describe where you were coming from and how they identified your car?

Questions like these will more often than not bring to light errors in the officers conduct or procedures. They write many tickets and can easily mix up facts when you're questioning them. It's these errors that cast doubt on how the officer operated.

The fact that he identified your car as being "fast'' because it's a maserati shouldn't have anything to do with the ticket yet he thought it was important to mention this. Why?

theiceman

Anyone who has met George would understand he is certainly not a maniac. That's why I truly believe he just pulled out and was truly shocked when the cop nabbed him

But back to the cam. Even if he wasn't speeding. It would not help. Unless it shows sped and was calibrated. Just like the radar gun.