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Old 02-07-2017, 10:43 PM
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Earossi,

TheRock88 has a lot of DIY's that he has kindly put together for the forum (LINK). I have found several on here and on 6speed. I have used most of them as I wrench on my own car and the instructions are great with pics attached. I have owned my '09 turbo cab coming up on 2 years. I had one faulty PTM control module ($450 CAD) to replace. I have done my own oil changes and everything else has been extremely reliable. No IMS bearing on the turbo motors.

If you have patience, you can do most at home with some good tools. Your heritage with P-cars is amazing! Just get it and drive it.

Edit: Looks like Quadcammer beat me to it.
Thanks for the comments. Yeah, I've had a few P-cars over the years. My wife just shakes her head. Everyone that I buy is to be my "last Porsche". Hopefully, the 997tt will truly be the last one. Of course, the cars that I have had span almost 50 years. But, it has been fun. Especially meeting all the folks that love the breed as do I.
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I almost did another Arena Red PTS, but was going to add 6 weeks to an already long delivery time. Here are the paints:

Ruby Red sample, Guards Red sample, both on my 993 hood. These colors all look very different in different lights.
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I have a deposit down on an 08 997tt 6MT cab, midnight blue over a natural leather interior. I fly out to LA next week to close the deal.
Nice, be careful with loud exhausts in a cab, could be painful.
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Nice, be careful with loud exhausts in a cab, could be painful.
That's a good reason to leave the exhaust stock in the cab!
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The Sport Exhaust is music to my ears with the top down Ernie. Good luck with your car!
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very nice color combo, i have the same and I really like it.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
Its nearly the same motor as in your 993 save for a few extra cams and some water lines. Some jobs, like plugs, require a few steps, but there are fewer tight spots than on the 993. If you have a good selection of tools, some decent diy instructions (therock88 has some good guides, just google it), and some resolve you'll be fine.

The bottom ends are fine if you keep decent oil in it, don't rev the snot out of it when cold, and don't put a ton of boost to it with a crap tune.
Quad,

I respectfully disagree. There is a world of difference between the Mezger and the air cooled engine. For starters, there are many many more components in the Mezger engine. The 993 has a single bodied pressure and scavenge oil pump vs the 9 pumps I believe the Mezger has. Then there is the complexity of double overhead cams versus the rocker cams on the 993. The intermediate shaft alone on the Mexger is hugely different. On the 993 the IMS is probably 6 inches long. On the Mezger, the shaft appears to be 12 to 18 inches long. The cams on the Mezger are hollow and pressure fed while the 993 has solid shaft cams that are drip fed. And on and on.

If I were to venture a guess, the Mezger engine easily has twice the number of components of the 993.
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It's a lot closer to the 964/993 than the m96/97 wet dump motors that's for sure. The shortblock is very similar, in fact mine has 964 stamped on it someplace.
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I got my 3rd MT 997 TT september with 18000 mile. i drive it to work twice a week scheduled. I drive only highway miles, 43 miles one way. I make sure i drive it and alternate with my other dailies to control the miles.

Reliable yes.
Repair cost, none yet. After i bought it, i had it serviced and new tpms, hasnt broken yet.
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Originally Posted by TT Surgeon
It's a lot closer to the 964/993 than the m96/97 wet dump motors that's for sure. The shortblock is very similar, in fact mine has 964 stamped on it someplace.
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Originally Posted by earossi
Quad,

I respectfully disagree. There is a world of difference between the Mezger and the air cooled engine. For starters, there are many many more components in the Mezger engine. The 993 has a single bodied pressure and scavenge oil pump vs the 9 pumps I believe the Mezger has. Then there is the complexity of double overhead cams versus the rocker cams on the 993. The intermediate shaft alone on the Mexger is hugely different. On the 993 the IMS is probably 6 inches long. On the Mezger, the shaft appears to be 12 to 18 inches long. The cams on the Mezger are hollow and pressure fed while the 993 has solid shaft cams that are drip fed. And on and on.

If I were to venture a guess, the Mezger engine easily has twice the number of components of the 993.
Ernie,

I think you might be confusing things a bit. the bottom end of the 7tt motor is very similar to the 993 motor. Same oil pump style, same layshaft with a plain bearing, case is basically the same, etc. this is an evolution of the aircooled motor. but yes, the water cooled cars have variocam and double overhead cams, which has some obvious complexities but the heart of the motors are nearly identical
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The following pics are from a 7 GT3, but the basics are generally the same (tech nerds, don't beat me up about the gears being attached to the crank differently and whatnot, I'm making a point):











As someone familiar with the 993 engine, these pics should clearly show the similarities.
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Correct, shortblock nearly identical.
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Apparently, I owe an apology to Quadcammer on our discussion of the similarity between the Mezger engine and my 993. The pictures provided by Quad were great; and, based upon reviewing them, I have to agree that the short block is almost identical to a 964/993.

While my 993 was undergoing a PPI here in Chicago, I spent some time with a mechanic at the indi. I was questioning him about issues with 997 engines. He offered to go over a 997 motor that he had fully disassembled. That engine, in retrospect, was not a Mezger......it was the 997 N/A design. When I looked over the parts, I was amazed at the number of parts and their design. Like a Swiss watch.

But, the pictures posted earlier by Quadcammer were eye opening. My apologies. This now gives me a feeling of confidence in taking over ownership of an 08 turbo. Strip away the water cooled heads four cams, and the turbo parts, and you have a 993 engine short block. I'm at home!
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Originally Posted by earossi
Quad,

I respectfully disagree. There is a world of difference between the Mezger and the air cooled engine. For starters, there are many many more components in the Mezger engine. The 993 has a single bodied pressure and scavenge oil pump vs the 9 pumps I believe the Mezger has. Then there is the complexity of double overhead cams versus the rocker cams on the 993. The intermediate shaft alone on the Mexger is hugely different. On the 993 the IMS is probably 6 inches long. On the Mezger, the shaft appears to be 12 to 18 inches long. The cams on the Mezger are hollow and pressure fed while the 993 has solid shaft cams that are drip fed. And on and on.

If I were to venture a guess, the Mezger engine easily has twice the number of components of the 993.
For the record air cooled engines ARE Mezger engines.


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